Wow.... i wish it wasnt true

[Holden McGroin]

According to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, GDP of the USA in 2004 was 21.3 Trillion.  

Manufacturing accounted for 4.3 Trillon.

Agriculture, 319 Billion, Mining 306 Billion, Construction 1,050 Billion, Information (software, Movies, Music Recording) 1,107 Billion, Finance and Insurance, 1,542 Billon.

So Manufacturing is equal to about 20% of the GDP and roughly equal to Agriculture, Mining, Construction, Information and Finance combined.

Yes, we do still make stuff.

[tikky]

Originally posted by nirvana
The voices in The Simpsons are computer generated too...

for reals man the simpsons drawing is sub-contracted to Korea.

[Rolex]

You must have transposed or misread the number, Holden. It's $12 trillion.

Still, nothing to sneeze at.

Cadillac doesn't make cars in Japan, bkbandit. You may want to consider doing a lot more reading before you write or say things. And, GM can build a factory in Japan if they want. The problem is that the market in Japan for Cadillacs is infinitesimal. It's all about the market, the market, the market...

Come to think of it, weren't you the guy who said he couldn't get a job? I wonder why that is.

[nirvana]

Oh I believe you tikky, most of it is.  South park is all done in the U.S. of A though, a day before it's set to be put on Comedy Central.  Trey or Matt actually made the comment that while The Simpsons was shipped out months in advance oversees for animation, they (Matt and Trey) could do it in a day because it was all in house.

[1K3]

Originally posted by Rolex


Cadillac doesn't make cars in Japan, bkbandit. You may want to consider doing a lot more reading before you write or say things. And, GM can build a factory in Japan if they want. The problem is that the market in Japan for Cadillacs is infinitesimal. It's all about the market, the market, the market...

Come to think of it, weren't you the guy who said he couldn't get a job? I wonder why that is.

hmmm i've heard that Japan is a closed market for gaijin products.

[lasersailor184]

BK, part of the problem with the current US auto industry are the unions.  If you search the board you can find a couple posts about it.

The main problem is that the Automakers are paying the unions BILLIONS of dollars to do nothing.  And I mean that quite literally.  I was reading an article a month or two back about a program the automakers and the unions had devised to keep useless people still on the payroll.  The gist was that some people's jobs had been replaced, or phased out, or just not there anymore.  The problem is that these people are still paid the same wages to literally sit in a room all day, and do nothing until the day they retire with full benefits.


If the automakers got rid of the unions and the incredibly wierd programs, I think they could easily trounce the import cars in america.  Currently most imports are of higher quality and are being sold for less.  If the programs were lost, it would lower the costs of cars astronomically.  You could then keep the current cars at really cheap prices.  Or you could pump out slightly higher quality cars at lower prices then the imports.

[Sandman]

I think the importance of unions is overstated. IIRC, the U.S. auto industry contributes just 4% to the GDP and union employees number less than 15% of the total workforce.

[DiabloTX]

Originally posted by bkbandit
 Camaros and firebirds werent even built here since there debute in 67, they were built in canada.  I got no problem with canada, but its an "american muscle car".

I beg to differ on that statement and provide the following data;

Gen. I: Norwood, Ohio 1967 - 1969
            Van Nuys (Los Angeles) California 1967 - 1970

Gen. II: Norwood, Ohio  1970 - 1981 (except during a strike)
             Van Nuys (Los Angeles) California  1970 - 1971, 1976 - 1981.

Gen. III: Van Nuys (Los Angeles), California 1981 - 1992

Gen. IV: Sainte-Thérèse, Quebec 1993 - 2002

Gen. V:  Oshawa, Ontario, and Wilmington, Del. are the 2 locations that     have been discussed.

[StarOfAfrica2]

Originally posted by Rolex

Cadillac doesn't make cars in Japan, bkbandit. You may want to consider doing a lot more reading before you write or say things.  

Yeah.  GM dont make Caddys in Mexico.  



They make em in Canaduh.  

Cept for the big ugly SUV lookin thing.  That one IS made in Mexico.  And likely hosted at least one family as it rode across the border in its railroad car.  Warms yer heart dont it?

[bkbandit]

The guy that told me he read about gm buildin cars in japan im just goin to ignore from now on.  This is the same guy that says the new zo6 sucks.  The unions are  meant to protect the workers but now its just makeing life more diffcult. NOw instead of workin people come up with excuses and go on strike. theres a guy like this at my friends job, the boss cant fire him cause of the union. The freakin job is a cake job and he messes around all day, then he goes to the union and says that the boss is racist. If they would fire his bellybutton my friend would get me in there.  The job market here is horrible in nyc. I hav family in rhode island and told them how things r here and they couldnt believe it. My cousin told me they dont hav enough people so i might hav to go down there at least for alittle while. It just sucks that theres nothin but roads and trees out there, in the soondocks anybody can work but here in nyc they want 10 years experience for a dam part time inventory job. Im startin to think this whole city is crazy. Milk is more expensive then our gas at almost 4 dollars a gallon.

I read at hot rod mag that camaros have been built in canada since the 60s and it was closed in 2002, its the same page with the previous camaro concept pics. Regardless where it is built  I bet if the unions werent being retarded gm would still want alot of money for a camaro.  Just like nike charges over a 100 dollars for jordans. It might cost them at the most 7 bucks to make and send one pair to the states. Thats why theres sweat shops here in nyc that make "fake" jordans. With the cars being mostly made by machines i cant see a v8(330 horse) camaro costing 30 grand, thats way they ended up killin the gto 2 months ago.

[DiabloTX]

bk, they even made Camaro's in the Philippines.  The US spec Camaro's were all made in the US up until the Gen IV's were introduced in 1993 at which point ALL F-bodies were made in Quebec, Canada.

[Rolex]

Originally posted by 1K3
hmmm i've heard that Japan is a closed market for gaijin products.

Nope, not at all. It's a completely free market.

American cars have never done well in Japan. It's not surprising, though.

Imagine you went to a Toyota, Honda, Nissan or Mitsubishi dealer in America and all the cars had the steering wheel on the right, all the controls, gauges and knobs were written in Japanese, the radio didn't cover the same frequency range, and there were just a handful of dealerships with limited service.

You probably wouldn't buy one.

But that has been the historical 'strategy' for US carmakers. Buy it our way, or don't buy it at all. Astounding stupidity, isn't it?

[Urchin]

Originally posted by lasersailor184

Of course, this is all layed out in any basic economics class.  Though, it might be much to expect most of you to understand basic economics, or even think through the problem.

You know the problem with economics?  You have to make the most absurd initial assumptions for the rest of it to work.  Microeconomics anyway, Macro seems to be on a little more solid footing imo.  

But come on.. perfect competition?  Perfect knowledge?  What follows from the initial assumptions usually makes OK sense, but the initial assumptions are so flawed that it makes me wonder how valid the conclusions are.

[eagl]

The new hemi engines are built and crated in Mexico.

That's a little known fact...

































































that I just made up

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Sandman
Might as well thank the Wal-Mart mentality.

Heh, my grandpa used to say the same thing except "Japanese car mentality".