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Offline wrag

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« on: June 13, 2006, 10:56:42 PM »
Anyone seen this kinda stuff at their child's school?

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2006/june/0613_libraries1.shtml

Not sure children need this much education at such an early age?
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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2006, 11:02:24 PM »
Most likely children at that age would just say "Ewwwee!! Grosss!" and check out another book. Not going to change their sexuality or their behavior. Slippery slope to ban things, whether it be guns, abortion, books, what's next? Rather our government didn't decide what is best for us. We'll survive just fine.
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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2006, 11:09:46 PM »
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Most likely children at that age would just say "Ewwwee!! Grosss!" and check out another book. Not going to change their sexuality or their behavior. Slippery slope to ban things, whether it be guns, abortion, books, what's next? Rather our government didn't decide what is best for us. We'll survive just fine.


Did you read the article?   The ages go from quite young up to highschool.

No REQUEST was made to BAN anything according to the article.

A request was made by concerned PARENTS, NOT the Government, to place the books in question in the parental overview section.  In other words if the student wanted the book the parent could OK or not.

Perhaps reading an article before commenting is worth doing some times?
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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2006, 11:19:07 PM »
BURN THE LIBRARIES!  We don't need these vendors of SMUT to be dragging our children down to their level.  Sex on TV, Hollywood race mixing, satanic rock music, mighty mouse promoting drugs, we must BAN EVERYTHING.  We have no power, we must allow our government to BAN EVERYTHING.  So send off your checks to Pat Robertson, because unless you spread the word, America will turn into a nation of Blasphemy.  Blacklist all the books, remove all the records with tipper stickers, because if you don't, we will ruin you.



Seriously, it would be surprising to me if your 3rd grader didn't know that a woman caused him to become suddenly more aware.  It would surprise me if your 3rd grader wasn't calling some other kid the more explicit form of homosexual.  Where did they learn those words at?  The first graders today will be learning calculus their freshmen year.  Your kids are growing up faster then you think, they are exposed then more then you think.  Shelter them or put them in a religious school.  Perhaps then you can teach them what sex is when you are ready.
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2006, 11:45:47 PM »
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Did you read the article?   The ages go from quite young up to highschool.

No REQUEST was made to BAN anything according to the article.

A request was made by concerned PARENTS, NOT the Government, to place the books in question in the parental overview section.  In other words if the student wanted the book the parent could OK or not.

Perhaps reading an article before commenting is worth doing some times?


I did.  
"snip~ thereby allowing parents to exercise their God-given (and constitutionally protected) rights to oversee the moral upbringing of their children."

On the surface it looks innocent enough, but who decides what's "offensive" and what's not?

Putting books on the restrictive shelf is a ban on those books. The effect of restricting books might not have the results some of the parents are looking for. Now the kid's will want to check out those books if nothing more than they're restricted.
Once those parents find kids "reading" those restricted books, they'll push for removal.
It's a slippery slope.

I think it's much ado about nothing.
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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2006, 12:01:27 AM »
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who decides what's "offensive" and what's not?



My guess... parents?
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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2006, 12:58:54 AM »
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"Just keep asking yourself: 'What would Jesus not do?'"


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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2006, 02:09:57 AM »
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I did.  
"snip~ thereby allowing parents to exercise their God-given (and constitutionally protected) rights to oversee the moral upbringing of their children."

On the surface it looks innocent enough, but who decides what's "offensive" and what's not?

Putting books on the restrictive shelf is a ban on those books. The effect of restricting books might not have the results some of the parents are looking for. Now the kid's will want to check out those books if nothing more than they're restricted.
Once those parents find kids "reading" those restricted books, they'll push for removal.
It's a slippery slope.

I think it's much ado about nothing.


So you are for FORCING views on the children of others?

I get real tired of people telling others how.  This is NOT freedom to me.  Telling someone anyone the manner in which they shall bring up their children is NOT freedom.

Do it for their own good?  OK it's good for you to have sex with someone that has AIDS so you will do it?

The parent is held accountable for the actions of the child.  But the parent MUST raise their children your way?

I don't think that is fair or RIGHT!  To the parent or for that matter to the children.
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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2006, 08:37:28 AM »
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My guess... parents?


How many parents? What books specifically? What ages are we talking about?
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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2006, 08:47:40 AM »
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So you are for FORCING views on the children of others?

I get real tired of people telling others how.  This is NOT freedom to me.  Telling someone anyone the manner in which they shall bring up their children is NOT freedom.

Do it for their own good?  OK it's good for you to have sex with someone that has AIDS so you will do it?

The parent is held accountable for the actions of the child.  But the parent MUST raise their children your way?

I don't think that is fair or RIGHT!  To the parent or for that matter to the children.


Actually the irony is kind of funny.
We have a group basically telling other's how to rear their kids.
Everyone should raise their own kids, not other's.
You tell your own kids what books are okay and what isn't.
As to having sex with someone with AIDS....where is this coming from...really wierd.
Sure every parent must be held accountable for their child, not others.
What you're supporting is the censorship of some books that you have a problem with, that other parents might not.

I speak from experience of seeing literary classics such as 'Raisin In The Sun' and some others being banned from some schools because of a minority of parents' objection to a few sentences.

Kids are smarter and tougher than you're giving them credit for. You want to insulate them from the real world? Isn't going to happen no matter how many things you ban via books, tv, movies.
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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2006, 08:57:21 AM »
Its okay...they just need to get some good old violence in there to replace those evil immoral sex books.
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« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2006, 09:02:54 AM »
public schools is all about forcing one viewpoint and banning some things while not others.   It is also about indoctrinization and propoganda.  

This is fine as private schools would be similar but... there is a difference... Parents and taxpayers are not given choices.   Vouchers would allow parents to have more of a say in what material was allowed.

A private school may have the NRA firearms instructors in for instance to teach children firearms safety with their excellent programs.. this is impossible in political motivated socialist public schools.  

A private school may not want to use the new textbooks that are being considered that stress the importance of gays in history...  

A private school would simply expel or holdback troublesome or slow students...  A private school could teach and test only in english.

The public schools would be free to sell their brand of snake oil in the same manner they do now, complete with abysmal test scores.. or.... they could compete.

Sorta like breaking up ma bell.  It needs to be done.

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« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2006, 09:06:00 AM »
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So you are for FORCING views on the children of others?

I get real tired of people telling others how.  This is NOT freedom to me.  Telling someone anyone the manner in which they shall bring up their children is NOT freedom.

Do it for their own good?  OK it's good for you to have sex with someone that has AIDS so you will do it?

The parent is held accountable for the actions of the child.  But the parent MUST raise their children your way?

I don't think that is fair or RIGHT!  To the parent or for that matter to the children.


He never said or even remotely hinted at forcing views upon others' children. He just stated that relocating these books might not have the intended effects.

When these books remain in their current section noone forces anyone else to read these books, the other way around is far more intrusive, by relocating these books one makes them inaccessible to others, i.e. it is forced upon them.

Wonderful AIDS comparison though. And I love how you play around with those CAPS, it makes your post so much more powerful and telling.
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« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2006, 09:07:29 AM »
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A private school may have the NRA firearms instructors in for instance to teach children firearms safety with their excellent programs.. this is impossible in political motivated socialist public schools.  


:rofl

You just need to add something about hotrods now lazs.
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« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2006, 09:10:38 AM »
Yep... auto shop.   Private schools could cater to kids who might not want to be accountants ar graphic artists or even continue higher education.

Truth is... we will allways need machinists and mechanics and construction workers.

Self centered Public schools have been ignoring this fact for decades.

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