Breaking news, WMD in Iraq

[Holden McGroin]

“Jim Angle, who reported this for FOX News, quotes a defense official who says these were pre-1991 weapons that could not have been fired as designed because they’d already been degraded and the official went on to say these are not the WMD’s this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had and not the WMD’s for which this country went to war.” -- Alan Colmes, Hannity and Colmes  

Guess we shouldn't believe this because it came from Fox News.

[Yeager]

hey...hussein was the weapon of mass destruction.  right?

anway...we had hussein cornered.  we should have finished the deal in afganistan before getting aggressive with Iraq.  afganistan is being challenged again and the stability there is now threatened with the UN becoming more involved, and more likely to retreat when the going gets rough, leaving the reduced US forces and the afgani government in peril.  

I think bush and his handlers screwed up big time but there is now a need greater than ever of seeing a stable government survive in afganistan and develop in iraq.  It will take several more years minimum and bailing out by the end of july 07 like kerry wants is just bad for the entire planet.  even h. clinton wants an open ended commitment in iraq.

stay the course, failure is not yet guaranteed.

[Stringer]

I agree, Yeager.

[Elfie]

Rip, on a serious note, I would rather we DO find WMD. It's why I supported this invasion. It's the reason given to the American public and the world for going in. Because the Admin and the CIA has admitted that they were not there is why I'm pissed now.

Of all the stockpiles of chemical weapons the Iraqis originally had, some has yet to be accounted for. It has yet to be verified that they were in fact destroyed and they havent been found yet. I don't know if we will ever find evidence that they were destroyed or if they will ever be found. No reason to get ticked about it though, this is completely beyond our control.

For those claiming there were no A-Q links to Iraq, I dont recall our gov't ever saying that. They did say Saddam had links to terrorism, that much is true. People automatically assumed it was A-Q that Saddam had links with. It is no more rediculous to say that Saddam had links to A-Q than it is to say that Saddam was harboring terrorists and then jump up and down screaming he had no links to A-Q. I think we all know he had no links to A-Q.

Who cares if a terrorist belongs to A-Q or not? I dont, a terrorist is a terrorist regardless of which organization (and there are many different organizations) he is affiliated with.

[Sandman]

No need to recall. We have transcripts from Meet the Press with Vice President Dick Cheney.

Source

We learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the ’90s, that it involved training, for example, on BW and CW, that al-Qaeda sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems that are involved. The Iraqis providing bomb-making expertise and advice to the al-Qaeda organization.

Other Source

Well, I want to be very careful about how I say this. I’m not here today to make a specific allegation that Iraq was somehow responsible for 9/11. I can’t say that. On the other hand, since we did that interview, new information has come to light. And we spent time looking at that relationship between Iraq, on the one hand, and the al-Qaeda organization on the other. And there has been reporting that suggests that there have been a number of contacts over the years.

There is-again, I want to separate out 9/11, from the other relationships between Iraq and the al-Qaeda organization. But there is a pattern of relationships going back many years. And in terms of exchanges and in terms of people, we’ve had recently since the operations in Afghanistan-we’ve seen al-Qaeda members operating physically in Iraq and off the territory of Iraq.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
How come you're changing the subject? You feeling okay? Don't you have a bunch of illegals getting paid mininum wage to "manage"?

I'm on vacation today, without my car  But I do have an unscheduled teleconference at 10:30.  Toodle pips!

I'm sorry Rip.

I'm sorry that you seem to lose the train of the conversation. Remember it was about Groundhog Day... you even brought it up.

I'm sorry you have such low regard for working people in this country that you think "minimum wage" is an insult.

I'm sorry if you think "managing" people is below your station in life.

But most of all I'm sorry to get into this little tiff. Unlike managing people, I think it's below me.

Toodle pip!

[Ripsnort]

For the chronologically-disabled readers, who can't follow a thread well...

Originally posted by Ripsnort
I know you think Saddam and his son's were just misunderstood, but the rest of us live in reality, not Southern California.

Immediately followed by:

Originally posted by midnight Target
Who did they play in the movie?

Whoop!:aok

(Please note, subject *was* changed back, but you had no answer, because you love Saddam and his sons. )

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by BlueJ1
If that kid decides to do porn he will go far.

But goodluck in highschool for him.


What if its a girl....

Mrs. Biggins?

[Elfie]

Originally posted by Sandman
No need to recall. We have transcripts from Meet the Press with Vice President Dick Cheney.

Source



Other Source

Ahhh, thanks for jogging my memory Sandman. Wasn't there ONE A-Q guy that briefly hung out in Iraq, got some medical attention while he was there?

[SirLoin]

Originally posted by Nash
Where do ya even begin with a post like this?

Sean Hannity?

... did Iraq not pay its bill? Was this some kind of massive repo operation? Is that what necessitated the invasion? To take it back?

 

[SirLoin]

Originally posted by Airscrew
Is it Col. Mustard?

Yes...It was Col. Mustard...in the Library with the WMD.


I wIn!!:D

[SirLoin]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Yes, never mind that he was supposed to destroy them!  

What..You sell them the chemical kaka,then say"Wait!.Nooo!..You can't use it!!"

Did the chemical company in US issue a recall saying the "Product" was unsafe???

[Dos Equis]

Originally posted by Hangtime
Nobody is disputing the simple truth that Saddam lied about the WMD being destroyed... and was in violation of UN resolutions and got his just desserts. Whats in contention is the presence of a nuclear development program (there was.. the israli's didn't bomb a puppy kennel), a biologicals program (jury's out, but it's a no-brainer he was) and a 'weaponized' anthrax program... which is a pretty scary concept.

Unfortunately, the wrong guys are releasing this information.. at the wrong time. The right time was immediately after the president reviewed the report, and the source should have been the president.

Now, it all just sounds like political mud slinging.

Something you have some skill in, Rip.

You should take a look at the latest Frontline. It's called Cheney vs. Tenet. It gives background on Cheney and the moves he made to get CIA to take a backseat to the Pentagon after 9/11. It's very well done.

In the show, it shows just how close Saddam was to a detonation of a nuclear weapon when the Israelis went in and bombed his nuclear plant. He was 9 months to a year away from a nuke, and that when? I want to say it was very early 1990s.

So, to give some perspective to it - at one TIME, it was well known that Saddam was pretty far along. Since then, however - after Gulf War I, the extent of the damage to his country was overwhelming and a well kept secret. The initial air campaigns against Iraq and the subsequent no fly zone, reduced his military to a joke. His infrastructure to nil.

As to what's been found? Sarin gas that dates back to the Iran/Iraq war. QFD. Hardly biological or nuclear. If the bar of a WMD has been lowered to sarin gas, then every single nation on the planet has a WMD. Warlords in Somalia have gas.

[lazs2]

I am not all that excieted about all the 1991 sarin gas but...

I have allways felt that since the sadman was allways pursueing WMD that there was no reason to think that he would do so as long as he was in power... as long as he lived.

I believe that his WMD program was about shut down after 1991 or so but that he was his own worst enemy and hid the fact to make himself seem more significant.... I believe he led the world to believe that he did have em.

But... we still come back to.....  If he could he would.... so long as he was in power he was a threat to the world and his people.... the second he had an opportunity he would ramp his nuke program right back up without any hesitation... If he could purchase a nuke he would have done that.

The man needed to be gone and he cooperated.

lazs

[Hap]

Originally posted by Mr Big
Here is a clue for you guys.

500 weapons have been found since 2003. They contained mustard and VX gas, according to a declassified intelligence document.

Are you saying that you don't beleive it?

Read a bit more Mr. Big (or maybe I need to read a bit more), for what I've learned is those weapons, the 500, we new about.  We didn't go to war about what we knew.  Why we went to war is covered nicely here:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/

It's well worth the 90 mins it takes to watch it. And, it is free to watch on your computer.

hap