Waco: The Rules of Engagement

[DREDIOCK]

ohhh mannn and here I thought it was going to be a thread on a new video game

[lukster]

If you haven't seen this documentary you owe it to yourself to see it. I followed this pretty closely back in '93 on CNN. What was portrayed by CNN was at best a distortion of events, at worst outright lies. These people were definitely outside the mainstream but they were not Jim Jones crazy. David Koresh probably should have been locked up but all of these people definitely did not deserve to die.

After watching this I can't help but believe the FBI was after revenge for the killing and humiliation of the ATF. I think the congressional inquiry dropped the ball big time. I suspect they were afraid of what it would do to the country if the truth were widely known.

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by Thrawn
www.lp.org

the libertarian party?

LOL!

puzzies, panzies and gehy marrige open border sweetheartbags.



still better than than the party of Klintonistas, sharptons and feinsteins.

*sigh*

it's like the diffrence between petrified **** and a warm ****. One really stinks, but they are both still ****.

[Cougar68]

The Rules of Engagement "documentary" is just as bad as Michael Moore's stuff.  All it does is tell a one sided view of the things that went on.

[Pooh21]

that ATF agent who rolls off the roof after a fricken 10 yards of bullets into the wall hits him, I hope that gimp wears a colostomy bag and lives in agonizing pain to this day. he sucks. and is more then likely a huge fan of brokeback mountain

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by lukster
Don't know how I missed seeing this documentary for so long. I always figured the government screwed up royally in Waco but I had no idea. I'm stunned.

Yea, thats the movie that warped my brain, i think.    What is scary about this is you have to get this documentary from a hole-in-the wall producer while the main stream TV still reports it as a mass suicide.  Kinda makes you wonder.  Investigative reporting isnt what it used to be.

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by Cougar68
The Rules of Engagement "documentary" is just as bad as Michael Moore's stuff.  All it does is tell a one sided view of the things that went on.

Well professor, the other 'one side of the story' is all that has been told to the american public.  Why not rip cnn and fox and History chanel and nat. geographic for reading the official story and editing the footage to match it?  Sometimes you have to go to two places to see 2 sides of 'the story'.

[lukster]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Well professor, the other 'one side of the story' is all that has been told to the american public.  Why not rip cnn and fox and History chanel and nat. geographic for reading the official story and editing the footage to match it?  Sometimes you have to go to two places to see 2 sides of 'the story'.

Ya beat me to it. Like most everyone else, the "other" side of the story was all I knew for years.

Maybe I didn't follow the story as closely as I thought in '93 but I got the distinct impression back then that the building went up shortly after the FBI began attacking it with a tank. That is far from what actually happened. The FBI tore many holes in that building pumping in CS for a period of about 6 hours. If they did in fact position agents at exits who fired into the building as it burned, as it appeared on the FLIR video, they are guilty of a most heinous murder.


BTW, the documentary is on again next Tuesday evening on The Documentary channel.

[lazs2]

luckster... In 93 cnn was in the klintons pocket but... even if it weren't..  there would be no way that they could have reoported more than one side since they, like the fire department, were never allowed to get close enough to have any idea of what was going on.

The ATF fired on koresh at the start while he was at the doorway and unarmed.  They killed one man at that time..  the ATF on the roof were fired at but there is evidence that they were shooting at each other also.

When the ATF started firing at the house in general (the films show it) the davidians fired back... the idiot ATF fired till they were out of ammo and thene the davidians allowed them to gather their wounded and walk away... The Davidians could have killed every one of the ATF on the front line if they had wanted.

Even the most pro government slant admits that the FBI and it's negotiators were not in sync.. the negotiators told the davidians at one time that if they tried to give up they would be killed.

A real mess..

It is a perfect example of the best of government with the most tax money available doing the kind of job governments do....  Like FEMA or public schools...

Hey... I got an idea.... let's let the government "fix" global warming".

lazs

[WhiteHawk]

I rented the video from blockbuster about 1 year after it happened.  (I think it was the same video, although I think it may have been titled 'waco the big lie' or something at the time).  I think what is really disturbing is the fact theat the main media sticks to the govts version despite visual evidience to the contrary.  It sucks waking up from a good brainwashing.

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by lazs2
luckster... In 93 cnn was in the klintons pocket but... even if it weren't..  there would be no way that they could have reoported more than one side since they, like the fire department, were never allowed to get close enough to have any idea of what was going on.


lazs

So, after all these years, i guess it wouldnt be worth a 5 minute piece telling the american public that a mass murder was probably committed at waco and here is the incontovertable pictorial evidence to support it?  If you operate on the assumption that the media and the govt are owned by the same people, it starts to make a little more sense.

[Hangtime]

If you operate on the assumption that the media and the govt are owned by the same people, it starts to make a little more sense.

Another American 'GETS' it!



Welcome to the 'new world order'.

Korporation Uber Alles.

[lazs2]

I don't know about "owned" but... They are about 80% or better far lefties and "reporting" is pretty well influenced by that.

Then of course, there is the fact that they are arrogant, cowardly and slovenly.   They care more about their hair than the story and...

They really don't work for a story anymore... they go on what they are told... they don't want to get their sources too mad at em soooo.. A lot of times they just buy the story as told to em.

Again...  hair is the main concern for em.   That and imitaiting sincerity... that is tougher every year for em.  

They woulda stepped on the bodies of those children to get a mike in the face of anyone on the scene.

lazs

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by lukster
If the FBI did what it looked like they did in that documentary then they committed cruel premeditated murder. If you haven't seen the documentary then you don't know what I'm talking about. Near the end it appears that there are two agents firing into the burning building with automatic weapons. the FBI claims that they never fired a shot.

Waco confirmed the ineptitude of the government responding to this now infamous episode.   They brought the wrong guns to the gunfight.  Then again, even though the "FBI claims that they never fired a shot", how about the ATF?

[BluKitty]

Originally posted by Hangtime
Another American 'GETS' it!



Welcome to the 'new world order'.

Korporation Uber Alles.

You know some people define facism as close cooperation between Corprate/Media/Goverment.

CNN means basicly - The Corprate News Network.

We are still argureing over whims of Hurst in this day and age.

Today, we have Rupert Mordouch and other media giants for people like Hillary Clinton to bow down too.

http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/views06/0510-20.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/views04/0322-07.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/views02/0223-08.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0518-01.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/scriptfiles/views03/1223-05.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0524-06.htm <== TV Uber Alles

And it isn't only a U.S. problem,  Italian's and Britian's have had issues with media empires as well.

Vote Green or Progressive--Anything else is throwing your vote away.