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lasersailor184 · « **Reply #30 on:** July 01, 2006, 07:54:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Brenjen
Nope, the U.N. has had it's hand in those affairs since the begining, it's as much their fault all this is taking place as it is the Israelis & the palestinians & the British & the U.S. ad nauseum, allthough once the U.N. "peacekeepers" started getting killed it would boil to a head & we would see a war that would substantially crush one side or the others offensive capabilities for decades.

Hey, why doesn't the U.N. move the haitians to the west bank & gaza & move the palestinians to haiti, that'd solve it.

Are you serious? Israel would ****ing rock the UN with all of it's "Might" without breaking a sweat.

Brenjen · « **Reply #31 on:** July 01, 2006, 08:04:35 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Are you serious? Israel would ****ing rock the UN with all of it's "Might" without breaking a sweat.

I guess that would depend entirely on how you saw this imaginary occupation unfolding.

If it were strictly the arab nations under the U.N flag fighting for the palestinians from gaza & the west bank, I agree with you 100%, if you saw a multinational force that involved any of the industrial nations I think the Israelis would be in a bad way quickly without help from the U.S. which would likely be part of that U.N. force in any event.

There's no doubt in my mind at all Israel is a regional powerhouse & the absolute top dog of their neighborhood, but they are hardly a global power, their nukes give them a huge boost, but not enough to make them a global player. It's my firm belief they could stomp the crap out of all the arab nations that can reach them militarily, & all at the same time.

But seeing as how the U.N. chit-chat is all presumption & what-ifs it's irrelevant.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #32 on:** July 01, 2006, 09:30:21 PM »

quote:In quieter times, the Israelis might have held their forces back, made loud noises and negotiated in secret.

And just when in hell were those "quieter times"???

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #33 on:** July 01, 2006, 09:33:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
Scorched earth is not the solution to all problems.

the hell it isnt.

No more people. No more problem

~Caligula~ · « **Reply #34 on:** July 01, 2006, 10:04:35 PM »

I think the idea of the IDF fighting UN peacekeepers is kinda silly.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #35 on:** July 01, 2006, 10:14:13 PM »

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Originally posted by ~Caligula~
I think the idea of the IDF fighting UN peacekeepers is kinda silly.

That depends on what the UN "peacekeepers" are there to do. When you have UN rights council votes to review Israel rights record at every session

Considering Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Pakistan and China are all on the UN "human" rights council I find the UN lacks major credibility as a "peacekeeping body" and more or less serves itself.

parker00 · « **Reply #36 on:** July 01, 2006, 11:06:34 PM »

I haven't defended any method the palestinians are using but you all seem to think that Israel has the right to do what it wants and I'm saying they are both the problem. I don't believe either side wants peace and neither side has made an honest attempt at it.

Debonair · « **Reply #37 on:** July 01, 2006, 11:20:19 PM »

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Originally posted by ~Caligula~
I think the idea of the IDF fighting UN peacekeepers is kinda silly.

they fought the brits when they were doing simlar duty there.
pwnd 'en

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #38 on:** July 01, 2006, 11:42:58 PM »

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If it were strictly the arab nations under the U.N flag fighting for the palestinians from gaza & the west bank, I agree with you 100%, if you saw a multinational force that involved any of the industrial nations I think the Israelis would be in a bad way quickly without help from the U.S. which would likely be part of that U.N. force in any event.

Either. Israel would take either in a fight, even both, though they would have to roll up their sleeves if they were taking on arabs and europe. They might just have to take a short nap after the fighting.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #39 on:** July 02, 2006, 12:43:24 AM »

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Originally posted by parker00
I haven't defended any method the palestinians are using but you all seem to think that Israel has the right to do what it wants and I'm saying they are both the problem. I don't believe either side wants peace and neither side has made an honest attempt at it.

Agreed

Saintaw · « **Reply #40 on:** July 02, 2006, 04:48:00 AM »

*waves at VOR*

Brenjen · « **Reply #41 on:** July 02, 2006, 09:31:38 AM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Either. Israel would take either in a fight, even both, though they would have to roll up their sleeves if they were taking on arabs and europe. They might just have to take a short nap after the fighting.

I disagree that the Israelis could take out even a weak global power like France one on one. I believe they can smoke regional states like egypt or syria or lebanon or saudi arabia or jordan or even all of them at the same time, but not a global power. They simply do not have the capabilities.

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~Caligula~ said: I think the idea of the IDF fighting UN peacekeepers is kinda silly.

Tell that to the crew of the U.S.S. Liberty

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #42 on:** July 02, 2006, 09:39:45 AM »

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Originally posted by parker00
I haven't defended any method the palestinians are using but you all seem to think that Israel has the right to do what it wants and I'm saying they are both the problem. I don't believe either side wants peace and neither side has made an honest attempt at it.

And when you quoted me, I was just showing an instance where Israel did step back, ie the withdrawl from the Gaza and at least some of the WB. Not saying their entire policy is correct, just showing a single instance.

Had the Palestinians countered with a step back of their own perhaps peace could be more possible. Hamas declaring that they changed their policy about destroying Israel and the use of terror, that would be an easy step.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #43 on:** July 02, 2006, 09:53:20 AM »

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Originally posted by Brenjen
I disagree that the Israelis could take out even a weak global power like France one on one. I believe they can smoke regional states like egypt or syria or lebanon or saudi arabia or jordan or even all of them at the same time, but not a global power. They simply do not have the capabilities.

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parker00 · « **Reply #44 on:** July 02, 2006, 09:58:54 AM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
And when you quoted me, I was just showing an instance where Israel did step back, ie the withdrawl from the Gaza and at least some of the WB. Not saying their entire policy is correct, just showing a single instance.

Had the Palestinians countered with a step back of their own perhaps peace could be more possible. Hamas declaring that they changed their policy about destroying Israel and the use of terror, that would be an easy step.

True and I agree that the demands of renouncing violence, recognizing Israel and holding to prior agreements is not a lot to ask and should be met before aid is sent in but if we are looking for baby steps from either side then Hamas did hold to a cease fire for months before the election and even after. Do you really believe that Hamas could control all the other factions with the condition the country is in? These two have been going at it for how long and all of sudden one group from a demolished country is supposed to control all the rest? I just don't see how, look at Afghanistan and Iraq, neither side has one group that can control the rest yet the Palestinians are supposed to when they are just as destroyed as the other two. But like I said, I am not defending what they do as I don’t agree with suicide bombers, I just don't see how some in this thread put all the blame on the Palestinians.