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Offline Gunthr

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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2001, 10:25:00 PM »
Stomper3, thanks for motivating me to get off my lazy butt and sign up with this program.
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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2001, 10:41:00 PM »
I could get into the dull stick bit.

Send me.

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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2001, 10:43:00 PM »
So Thrawn... you are choosing not to explain your postion in regard to my point, or I didn't express myself monosyllabically enough for you to understand it?  I could write it out with the magnets on my fridge, and send you a picture, if you think that would help.

On the other hand, if you simply don't have something valid to say about my point of view, you can continue to avoid admitting it.  I promise, I won't tell.

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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2001, 06:28:00 AM »
Stomper is a moron.... and Thrawn is quite simply a U.S. basher. Stomper evidently lives in a nation that is basicly reaping the rewards of freedom that other nations payed for in blood many years ago... some still are.

 Thrawn is defending a terrorist organisation no matter WHAT he says. He is saying that we brought this on ourselves. That statement alone puts his pathatic bellybutton right there with them. He's a sickening reality we have to face. The world is full of individuals like him.

 Hey Thrawn... if you and your buttbuddy there feel sooooo strongly about this  hear the Taliban are looking for a few "good" men...LOL.

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Of course, I only see what he posts here and what he does in the MA.  I know virtually nothing about the man.  I think its important for people to realize that we don't really know squat about each other.... definately not enough to use words like "hate".

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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2001, 07:28:00 AM »
Stow it stomper.

You think that writing letters to US servicemen is the same thing as Nazi propoganda?  These are our friends, brothers, husbands (not me, smartasses), fathers... even if you don't support the war, you can't argue with supporting these men and women who put their lives on the line.


Sorry for the delay Kratzer.  I completely agree with this.

You can pretend that we can't retaliate up to the day that this toejam touches you directly, then you can support going after these bastards, and I won't even say 'I told you so'.

Nowhere does he say that he does't support retaliation.  In fact he states that he DOES support it.  

batdog,

Thrawn is defending a terrorist organisation no matter WHAT he says.

Are on drugs?  That's right, don't judge me by what I ACTUALLY say...judge me using your incredible powers of telepathy.

He is saying that we brought this on ourselves.

Wrongo, I said that US foreign policy in the middle-east was a contributing factor.  Tell me it wasn't.

That statement alone puts his pathatic bellybutton right there with them. He's a sickening reality we have to face. The world is full of individuals like him.

What state alone?  The one you just made that is based on the fact that you can read my mind?  Apparently your super powers include the amazing ability to read toejam that just isn't there.

Hey Thrawn... if you and your buttbuddy there feel sooooo strongly about this hear the Taliban are looking for a few "good" men...LOL.

Blow me, moron.

I still stand by the FACT that US foreign policy in the middle-east is not base on the freedom and democracy that you have at home.  But on what is most expedicious.  Hell the scantions against Pakistan, which is run by a military dictator were recently lifted.  Was it because he suddenly became a sweet, loving guy?  Or because it was expedicious?

Call me a terrorist lover until your blue in the face.  It won't make me one, not will it change the facts.  As far as being a US basher...roadkill again.  I'm bashing US foreign policy in the middle-east?  Is the sum of the US their foreign policy in the middle-east?  Nope.  For what it's worth I have friends that are Americans that feel the exact same way I do.

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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2001, 09:33:00 AM »
Thrawn, the funny part is your attempt to intellectually argue a point (any point, it would seem) is shallower than anything else I've read here.

In case you've lost it amid your psuedo intellectual arguments (there must be another side after all, right?), we are going to kill the people trying to kill us.  Period.  If you help us kill the people trying to kill us (read: President Musharraf), you will find yourself better off than had you not done so.

Is that simply acting in our best intrests?  You bet your frozen little insignificant bellybutton it is.  And we will continue to do so.  I'm sure some of your friends think we should embrace those trying to kill us and kill those trying to help us, perhaps next year we'll try it that way.

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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2001, 09:47:00 AM »
In case you've lost it amid your psuedo intellectual arguments (there must be another side after all, right?), we are going to kill the people trying to kill us.  Period.

Fine, got no problem with that.

And we will continue to do so.  I'm sure some of your friends think we should embrace those trying to kill us and kill those trying to help us, perhaps next year we'll try it that way.

Never said you should try an embrace your enemies.  I just don't want you to make a slew of new ones.  

Do you think that US foreign policy in the middle-east has been based on democractic principle and personal freedom?

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« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2001, 09:58:00 AM »
You mean like allying ourselves with the likes of China and USSR simply to win a conflict?

Despite our later differences, I have to say I am pretty happy they were with us in WWII.

Keep looking for that crystal clear black and white world, it's out there somewhere Thrawn.  Follow the little white bunny rabbits.

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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2001, 10:00:00 AM »
And another thing...fight another gulf war would be the case without pakistan's help.

So if I get this correct you'd prefer we did not negotiate with a state like Pakistan, but instead did a full scale invasion of Afganistan?  Sure, that's really likely to keep the death toll and our relations nice and keen  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2001, 10:03:00 AM »
We support your country.  We support stomper's country.  We support the British, the French, the Germans...  have there been some mistakes in our past?  Sure, of course there have been, but those experiences are not the sum-total of American foreign policy, and can't be considered without also considering American successes.

 
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Nowhere does he say that he does't support retaliation. In fact he states that he DOES support it.

Re-read his posts, he actually comes straight out and condemns the attacks.  What is confusing you is that he says:

 
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I also think that a reprisal is in place, or rather; not possible to avoid. Sadly.

That isn't 'support', that's recognition that there is in fact relaliation going on... read his first post.  If it doesn't click, read it again - it is all in there, and plain to see.

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« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2001, 11:01:00 AM »
Very good link.

What do you think, is it OK to mail it to my friends from Serbia, who's homes were "flattened" in 1999?

Poor servicemen...

Even a better idea that came to me is to send it to Kavkaz-Press (www.kavkaz.org), to the brave freedom fighters who have all possible support from the Land of Brave and Free.

What? Not a good idea? Definetly. Servicemen are not responcible for the stupidity of their government. I'll better send it to Soviet vets of an Afghan war. If they don't mind sharing their experience.

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« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2001, 11:45:00 AM »
:rolleyes:

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« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2001, 01:10:00 PM »
Boroda, mail it to the families in Serbia whose husbands and sons were executed and buried in mass graves. Or, mail it to the thousands of women who were raped. Yes, the United States is big, bad, and evil. I don't know how we live with ourselves.

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« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2001, 01:26:00 PM »
Raubvogel, NATO saved a lot of money for Bin Laden bombing civilians to help terrorists he sponsored.

What amazes me is that they keep on fighting for the human rights of terrorists in Chechnya and Macedonia.

Terrorists that kill Serbs, Russians or Macedonians deserve all possible human rights, don't they? Only the terrorists who kill Americans must be destroyed at any cost.

BTW, what mass graves did you mean? AFAIK they didn't find any mass graves in Kosovo. I doubt that CNN told you that all investigations showed "mass graves" were a propaganda issue used to justify that bold and shameless agression against souverign state.

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« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2001, 01:48:00 PM »
As far as I know, Adopt a Soldier is about supporting American soldiers who maybe don't get much mail or support from home for whatever reason. What is it about this that bothers you people?

I wouldn't have any problem whatsoever with Russian people supporting Russian soldiers this way, or with Swedish people supporting Swedish soldiers (are there any?)

Of course, we wouldn't expect people from other countries to be involved in supporting US soldiers, but why all the rancor?
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