Death to Ameerika....

[Lye-El]

Originally posted by Hawco
Don't think the crowd were pacified by the fact that it was probably American made munitions that done the damage, might even have been the 5000lb bunker busting bombs that were overnighted to the Israelis...

Anybody else notice that the aid shipments from Lebonese neighbors were coming in American made C-130s?

[Lye-El]

Originally posted by Eagler
Is that after the nukes rain down in 2055?

Hehe...I would bet that it won't take that long. If they get one some holy nutjob will use it. Then it will be game over in the middle east.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by PonyDriver
uh huh

well I guess then you'd be ok with Israel using the same force as the Hizbo's.  I'd bet you'd be fine if they started launching rockets into random civilian concentrations.


Nils, I'm willing to bet that if a neighboring country of yours kidnapped(they are most likely dead after being tortured) 2 of your own soldiers, then started launching rockets into your neighborhood,(after having already been doing so for years) that you'd want the threat  eliminated, not negotiated with(knowing full well that any peace would end in a few months with more rockets landing in your neighborhood)

I simply refuse to believe that you would want to negotiate and settle with this kind of threat so close to you that you could be killed in your bed at any time, without notice.

If i had violent extrmists within rocket range of my house, I'd ber inclined to defend my family, not make deals.  How about you?

Yes..

We would defend our selves against those doing whatever.

Israel is overreacting against _Lebanon_

Negotiation is the only solution in the long run, you cant win militarily against an organisation such as hezbollah. you can only slow them down for awhile. I bet their recruitment "offices" wont have problems finding new members now.

It started with kidnapping and then Israel responded with massive force against _Lebanon_... hezbollah (not Lebanon) used it as another excuse to launch houndreds of rockets and here we are.


Hezbollah is not Lebanon.


Pardon me, but I have far too much to do to repeat myself too many times, but if you have any new questions feel free to ask.

[PonyDriver]

Negotiation is the only solution in the long run,

Negotiate w/ terrorists?   How?

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by PonyDriver
Negotiate w/ terrorists?   How?

With Lebanon.. they need the support and strenght to keep hezbollah out.

You need to talk to hezbollah too. They are a factor you can not ignore or shoot away. Negotiations are usually done with words, not artillery and airstrikes against them and their human sheilds.

You cant kill an idea, anger, frustration or belife with bullets, you can only keep it at bay for a short while.

what about you then Ponydriver? Think they can be defeated with military might?

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Nilsen
You cant kill an idea, anger, frustration or belife with bullets, you can only keep it at bay for a short while.

The idea of Nazism was killed (or at least put in a very deep coma) with blood, bombs and bullets...

[PonyDriver]

Ok Nils,. you're the Israeli Pm... exactly what do you say to the Hizbos in your negotiations?

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
The idea of Nazism was killed (or at least put in a very deep coma) with blood, bombs and bullets...

Well yes, but the nazi regime including its founder and majority of its supporters were crushed on their home turf. Is it dead?..well as you said not entierly but close enough.

The ideology and founders of radical islam is not in Lebanon but abit further east and spread in so many countries and regions that it cant be destroyed by going after hezbollah in Lebanon. Its like chopping of a squid lim that will only grow back because its body is still alive.

[Saintaw]

"Collateral dammage" as you seem to enjoy calling it, is only "collateral dammage" when it happens in someone else's country. You call it something else when it happens on your soil.

[-tronski-]

Originally posted by Nilsen
With Lebanon.. they need the support and strenght to keep hezbollah out.

You need to talk to hezbollah too. They are a factor you can not ignore or shoot away. Negotiations are usually done with words, not artillery and airstrikes against them and their human sheilds.

You cant kill an idea, anger, frustration or belife with bullets, you can only keep it at bay for a short while.

what about you then Ponydriver? Think they can be defeated with military might?

If military power could solve an insurgency alone the British would've invaded Ireland to combat the IRA or destroyed Dublin's infrastructure...

 Tronsky

[Saintaw]

In 10 days, they should be able to stand on a carrier deck& post the "Mission accomplished" sign  dixit Ben-Eliezer.

"I estimate that for the IDF to complete their job - and I reiterate, to complete its job means that the area where we want the multinational force to deploy should be clean of Hezbollah and clean of rocket launchers and missiles - it will take approximately 10 days to two weeks,"

Linkenstein

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Nilsen
The ideology and founders of radical islam is not in Lebanon but abit further east and spread in so many countries and regions that it cant be destroyed by going after hezbollah in Lebanon. Its like chopping of a squid lim that will only grow back because its body is still alive.

You keep chopping, one area at a time until you reach the head, then chop it off.
The fact of the matter is if you are a country to harbor and support terrorist organizations, you are taking your chances and you will eventualy pay for it.
A great portion of the world is getting a little more than sick and tired of two bit terrorist orgs. being sheltered until which time they gather enough resources to pull off bombings, kidnappings, publicly aired beheadings, etc., etc.
If you will remember and look back, a similar thing happened with one of the Columbian cartels. The Columbian people were suckered into the same situation almost. The leader of the cartel (Escobar) improved streets, schools, hospitals...on and on, until he was was almost worshipped by the people.
Of course after he won their backing , the killing started and went on for a long time. Anyone standing in the way or impeding the operations of the cartel were slaughtered in the streets. Government, law and local officials and their families were slaughtered to make a point. The people paid the price in the end and ended up at the cartel`ss mercy and whim.
It resembles the way the Hezzies have went about manipulating the people of Lebanon in more than a slight way.
You play.....you end up paying.

[bozon]

Originally posted by Saintaw
In 10 days, they should be able to stand on a carrier deck& post the "Mission accomplished" sign  dixit Ben-Eliezer.

I never take anything Ben-Eliezer says too seriously. He likes to talk too much.

And Israel doesn't have any carriers to stand on.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Jackal1
You keep chopping, one area at a time until you reach the head, then chop it off.
The fact of the matter is if you are a country to harbor and support terrorist organizations, you are taking your chances and you will eventualy pay for it.
A great portion of the world is getting a little more than sick and tired of two bit terrorist orgs. being sheltered until which time they gather enough resources to pull off bombings, kidnappings, publicly aired beheadings, etc., etc.
If you will remember and look back, a similar thing happened with one of the Columbian cartels. The Columbian people were suckered into the same situation almost. The leader of the cartel (Escobar) improved streets, schools, hospitals...on and on, until he was was almost worshipped by the people.
Of course after he won their backing , the killing started and went on for a long time. Anyone standing in the way or impeding the operations of the cartel were slaughtered in the streets. Government, law and local officials and their families were slaughtered to make a point. The people paid the price in the end and ended up at the cartel`ss mercy and whim.
It resembles the way the Hezzies have went about manipulating the people of Lebanon in more than a slight way.
You play.....you end up paying.

Im just not so sure that all the Lebanese civilians are harbouring hezbollah, im not even sure that most of them are or that the government has the tools to get them out when and ofcourse IF they want to.

Its just too different ways to see things. For you its (prolly) acceptable with the attacks for the greater good or bigger picture.

For me the sacrifice to the civilian folks and the infrastructure is more than is warranted. I have no problem seeing your point of view, I just dont agree with it, and I think it will be counter productive.

[Saintaw]

Yes Bozon, i was making a funnay