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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2006, 07:12:49 PM »
So how do I figure out the tater gun? In particular on the 109?

I've been flying the Yakzooka with 37mm of explodey goodness, but I think the muzzle velocity & rate of fire is higher & easier to figure out.

I also tried the Hurri IID in AtA mode and when I get some hits with 2x40mm there are some real yard sale bargains to be had.  The view out of the Hurri is really good for lining up shots, too.

The 109 view is so limited and the 30mm has slow rate of fire I usually skip it, but y'all almost have me convinced....

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« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2006, 07:35:11 PM »
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So how do I figure out the tater gun? In particular on the 109?

I've been flying the Yakzooka with 37mm of explodey goodness, but I think the muzzle velocity & rate of fire is higher & easier to figure out.

I also tried the Hurri IID in AtA mode and when I get some hits with 2x40mm there are some real yard sale bargains to be had.  The view out of the Hurri is really good for lining up shots, too.

The 109 view is so limited and the 30mm has slow rate of fire I usually skip it, but y'all almost have me convinced....


Herein lies the weakpoint of the mightly K4. Inspite of all its butt-kicking performance, the guns are its achiles heel. I dont think i've 'figured it out' myself properly, but i find it beneficial to ensure you only use the tater gun, and not the MGs at the same time (or at all). That way when you see a hit-sprite, you know it's full of that 30mm love which will put that pesky pilot back in the tower pronto. Because of dif ROFs and tragectories, you will only confuse the issue if you fire both at same time. Secondly, i find it usefull to 'lob' 30mm shells one at a time. Line up your deflection shot, at your anticpated firing point, squeze out a tater, or two at the most. Thirdly get really really up close and personal with it. Duel benefit of a bigger target (relatively), and less time for the tater to travel to its target (their velocity is pretty slow) and you will find it easy to share that 30 milli goodness. Aim right for em like your setting up a deliberate collision and squeze out a tater when they fill ya windscreen :D just remember to evade the actual wreckage as it goes down...

I think cause the muzzle velocity is so slow, it stuffs up your mental calculations for the deflection shot. Think it will be something you wil just have to persevere with and master. Me being a pony/50cal jock, i will always have a hard time with tater deflection shooting, unless i spend some serious time behind the tatergun.
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« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2006, 06:51:55 AM »
Well...I seem to do pretty well in the 109f. I think it just fits my way of flying. I also seem to do well in the g6... no idea why besides the fact it just seems alot more stable. I took the k4 up for a ride or 2 last tour and finaly started landing some kills in a furballs... before that it was die die die...

This current tour its back to the die die die thing. I'm still fiquring out my throttle/trim/flaps w/it and the torque can be bad. My gunnery in it is....bad to worse. I have moments of competence but they seem to be rare at this moment.

I think I'm gonna try and hook up w/some DA and/or TA time in it. Maybe I can get somebody to send me some films.
Of course, I only see what he posts here and what he does in the MA.  I know virtually nothing about the man.  I think its important for people to realize that we don't really know squat about each other.... definately not enough to use words like "hate".

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« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2006, 07:26:51 AM »
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Thirdly get really really up close and personal with it.

Yup.  None of those 300 yard shots.

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« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2006, 07:40:19 PM »
Look me up ,xbAT,we can do some duels.Might be benefitial to us both.

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« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2006, 08:40:04 PM »
Bat, duel Creton, will help you a ton.  worked for my lame butt.:aok

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« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2006, 10:17:25 PM »
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Look me up ,xbAT,we can do some duels.Might be benefitial to us both.



Creton, I'm out of town until Friday Evening. Perhaps we can hookup then for a duel or 20 :) sometime this weekend. I typicaly fly in the evenings but on the weekend I can be flexiable for some good old butt wooping at the hands of experten :)
Of course, I only see what he posts here and what he does in the MA.  I know virtually nothing about the man.  I think its important for people to realize that we don't really know squat about each other.... definately not enough to use words like "hate".

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« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2006, 06:46:40 PM »
I am by no means an EXPERTIN ,but we can duel,Friday night after the FSO.
I'll be in the MA around 2300 HRS.The info below was made by myself about a year ot two ago.It is still mostly accurate as far as how I fly,but I have advanced somewhat as far as opening merges and off angles.

Here are the trainig techinques I use to get my squad up and running.Please review and if you have any questions regarding the 109's ,let me know

CRETON/Jeff


 Interesting material!
I found these site the other day and thought they may be of interest to some .The first is a break down of the basic air combat maneuvers.

http://library.thinkquest.org/3142/manuv.htm


The second one is a film made by NATHBDP flying a 109g-10,there are a couple of things in this one that has proven to be very usefull.First you'll see him climb then go full flaps and snap roll with a tail slide thus placing him in a attack position instead of a defending position. The second move you'll see is a very good rolling siccors , as the siccors progress you'll notice that he dosnt cutt back across the flight path very quickly but goes slightly vertical thus shortening the distance and allowing for the overshoot to occur. I hope that these will prove to be somewhat benificial to all .I do consider Nath to be a superb pilot in a 109 ,I have successfully beatin him on occassion, but to better succeed we have to know the other pilots.
Upon going to this site , download the film "THE ROOSTER"

http://www.furballunderground.com/files.html

Thank you for taking the time to read this,if you have other material for us to see please post it.I will say that every pilot has a basic opening move and since we continually bump into the same people in the MA it's relatively easy to determine who it is we're fighting 75% of the time ,with that knowledge we can be successfull in our counter moves.Kermit is the first to come to mind .He will 99% of the time go vertical to the left and do a hammerhead,I have countless films of this maneuver of his. We must try to have a variation of opening moves. Some will work while others wont .I discovered that I always turn to the right while dueling Batfink in the DA last week. I have been working on breaking this habit.

As a note if you engage a typhie, remember they have the best initail turn of all planes in AH2 ,however they bleed E very fast.The reason I posted this is mostly because I keep hearing "typhie" got me. mostly from myself.I hope that everyone will share their knowledge of the planes they encounter, for I have a lot to learn.

 More stuff

here are a couple of more good links:

http://members.shaw.ca/soda_p/models.htm

http://www.netaces.org/ahmain/siteframe.html  <--these site is strictly for aces high

 

Here's spme more stuff that JB22 found. Good diagrams.

http://www.lemsko.de/3d/ACM/bacm.html

http://www.krauts-squad.co.uk/training.htm

http://library.thinkquest.org/3142/manuv.htm


 Have you ever considered?

The other evening while flying I shot down a enemy con by the name CITIBRA whom JB42 informed me to possibly be Fester.As we talked about Fester 42 said that he was possibly the best overall stick in the game because he was a former aerobatic pilot.This got me to thinking about some really advanced ACM which is nothing more than aerobatics at higher speeds and of course th e addition of guns.So i goggled some info. on this subject and found some really cool moves that have been helping at least in part to my game play.Please take the time to look over these sites and I hope they have a positive affect on your flying as well.
The first site is of some cool diagrams outlining flight paths and descriptions of each move.Some even tell G's that should be pulled> which should give an idea of entry speed,sustained speed,exit speed.
http://www.iac.org/begin/figures.html

This next site is basicly the same but with different diagrams .
http://www.walkera.com/home_e/teache.jsp


This last site is my favorite because you can dnload films of actual planes making the various maneuvers.
http://www.fightercombat.com/akw_vi...of_the_week.htm

 

Thought that this was an interesting article regarding the 109.I took this from another post on the BBS.

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/articles/109myths/


 

You have got to take a look at this 109 site.
http://www.bf109.com/frameset.html
some more 109 sites for you to evaluate.
http://www.messerschmitt-bf109.de/index-1024.php
http://www.adlertag.de/
http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/index1024.htm


CRETON/Jeff

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« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2006, 10:50:46 PM »
Thanks you for the info. Awesome links!
Of course, I only see what he posts here and what he does in the MA.  I know virtually nothing about the man.  I think its important for people to realize that we don't really know squat about each other.... definately not enough to use words like "hate".

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