Motorcycle helmet law?

[Chairboy]

Originally posted by Gh0stFT
after the crash:

with helmet

without a helmet

your choise !

Ghost, that's the thing, it's NOT our choice.

I'll wear a helmet every time I ride, but it's not appropriate for the government to tell me that I have to.  It SHOULD be my choice if I'm an idiot or not, but it ain't.

[bj229r]

Any kid in my neighborhood who wore a bicycle helmet woud have had his *** kicked daily:rofl


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As I said, if they REALLY want to save people, fat people eating bad stuff and smoking would save a LOT more than seat belts (hence, insurance money)

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Sandman
On the other hand... the insurance companies didn't lower their rates after the laws were passed. Lower medical costs means higher profits.

It's all about the money.

Oh, I already know.  The difference between you and me though, is that you think it is bad or evil for them doing so.  I think it's their right.

[Hawklore]

Here in FL there was this one biker who was asked, why he wasn't wearing a helmet..

He stated, because I don't have to.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Oh, I already know.  The difference between you and me though, is that you think it is bad or evil for them doing so.  I think it's their right.

Certainly, it is the right of every business to seek a profit. But insurance companies aren't like other businesses. Insurance is required by law.

I can see that insurance companies could easily abuse this position.

[john9001]

Originally posted by Sandman
But insurance companies aren't like other businesses. Insurance is required by law.

I can see that insurance companies could easily abuse this position.

i think that's whats called an under statement.

[lazs2]

weather insurance companies are allowed to make a profit or not has no bearing on the issue.

The issue is that that are not going to lower prices no matter what silly bellybutton things they can make you sheeeeeple do.  

Wear a seatbelt?  higher insurance rates... wear a helmet?  higher insurance rates.

If they made smoking illegal do any of you sheeeple think your insurance rates would go down?   Your taxes?

Who here thinks giving the insurance companies and the government more power equals lest cost to them?

anyone?   come on... a bunch of you morons bought into the propoganda so let's here you speak up and tell us how all this nannying is gonna save us money...

lazs

[Dago]

Originally posted by lasersailor184



Actually just the opposite.  It wasn't freedom or concerns about liberty that pushed through no-helmet laws, but the insurance lobby.  And since the insurance lobby pushed it through, that means that it costs less medically for them instead of the person wearing a helmet.  That means in the whole, it costs less medically for you to not wear a helmet.

It's very socialistic to say that it's selfish to do something you want to do.  Be very careful young one.
 

Been a while since someone called my 50 yr old butt "young one".  But, since I have been in car and motorcycle accidents, since I pay taxes and high medical insurance premiums that among all the other things, support lifetime medical care for fools too stupid to wear a helmet, I will say I think it is selfish to put that burden of care on other people.

How about this, if you don't wear a helmet, and you suffer a serious accident, you just get euthanized or arrival at the hospital?  Only the rider pays that way, oh, and also his family he didn't have the brains to think about when he rode helmetless.

[Dago]

Originally posted by -Concho-
Helmet or no helmet, seatbelt or no seatbelt; neither make a bit of difference if you don't ride or drive responsibly.

I've cut the seatbelts off of as many dead people as alive, the only good thing I see that it keeps you behind the wheel in case your able to recover.

During my years as a volunteer firefighter (400 calls per year), I never unbuckled a dead body, but I did help remove more than a couple dead bodies that weren't belted in.  Even helped an old man out of a car that had been hit by a train.  He had the biggest diagonal red stripe accross his chest from his belt, but he lived.  

One night drove the ambulance so the paramedics could both work on the guy who had a car rolled over him after being ejected when he went off the road.  Nope, no belt there or he would have been fine.  He was screaming in pain in the ambulance.  (among other injuries was a triple pelvis facture).

[Dago]

The anti-helmet law guys get all emotional when their right to be really stupid is at risk.  They have to take the insult route.  Kind of telling I guess.


I think not wearing one is selfish, it ignores the grief the family suffers and the financial burden put on others caring for the vegtables they become all to easily in a crash.

[Gh0stFT]

Dago i think i misunderstand this thread, now i think its about just the law
to wear a helmet and not if a helmet can help you survive a crash.

Imagine the Law would forbit to wear a helmet, hey i still would wear
one! :)

[LePaul]

Clearly we all have our experiences and stories as to why its a good idea to wear either a seatbelt or a helmet.

I've been in a head on accident (hit at 35mph) where the belt saved me (pre airbag days)....I've also been hit twice on the motorcycle at slower speeds (in town, around traffic)...thanks to my helmet, the head bouncing I did from getting sideswiped was only a minor concussion and not a death.

To those who live with a state of mind that says the heck with helmets and seatbelts...I envy you.  I really do.

But from what I've heard, read, seen and experienced...I'll keep buckling up and wearing the helmet when out on the bike.

You have to hate seeing these articles on the news where had they worn a belt, they wouldve been saved.  Life is precious.  Safetly is merely an inconvience.

[Sandman]

I certainly won't drive without a belt. It's saved my life.

If someone does not wish to wear a belt, I support their right to be a fool... that is unless they're in the vehicle with me. Everyone is belted in my vehicle and it's for my safety, not theirs.

[Gh0stFT]

Originally posted by Sandman
Everyone is belted in my vehicle

The law in germany, if you are the driver you are responsible for the people
who drive with you, they have to wear a belt.
But you are right, if you crash and the people at the rear seats are
not belt they will fly through the windshield, and behead you before they
hit the glas. Any driver who didnt think about that scenario are plain dumb.

[Dago]

Originally posted by Gh0stFT
Dago i think i misunderstand this thread, now i think its about just the law
to wear a helmet and not if a helmet can help you survive a crash.

Imagine the Law would forbit to wear a helmet, hey i still would wear
one!

Yeah, you're right, I am talking about wearing a helmet, and it really is about being required to wear one.  

I think there should be helmet laws to protect those who so desperately desire to be accepted and thought of as cool.