UK airline bomb plot thwarted

[Edbert1]

Whatever it takes to get the diaperheads to attack an M1 Abrams instead of commercial airliners is a good stragey in my book.

I'd hazard a guess that the crew of the Abrams would agree as well.

[Momus--]

Maybe you should take the time to read and digest the sources kindly provided for you before responding?

Iraq has become a superheated, real-world academy for lessons about weapons, urban combat and terrorist trade craft, said Thomas Sanderson of CSIS...Extremists in Iraq are "exposed to international networks from around the world," said Sanderson, who has been briefed by German security agencies. "They are returning with bomb-making skills, perhaps stolen explosives, vastly increased knowledge. If they are succeeding in a hostile environment, avoiding US Special Forces, then to go back to Europe, my God, it's kid's play."

[Edbert1]

Read, digest, consider, and reject the failed policies of European appeasement, okay...done.

I can see it now..."Peace in our time"...kum-buy-yah...woot!

[Momus--]

You're not very quick on the uptake are you? The 9/11 attacks were carried out by radicals who used Afghanistan as a staging and training base before returning to europe to plan the attacks. As a consequence, Afganistan was invaded and the environment that enabled the preparation for the attacks was eliminated. However, in attacking Iraq for no good reason other than a neo-conservative fantasy, another Afghanistan may have been created, only a bigger, meaner version. We may as well not have invaded Afgahistan at all. Do  you think your brainless policies might actually be part of the cause of the problem? Starting to get it yet?

[lazs2]

so momus... you are saying that the guys who are terrorists in iraq now would have just remained law abiding non threatening little fundamentalists forever if we wouldn't have pushed em over the edge?

maybe a few but...  these guys are darn easy to push over the edge in my opinon...  they are going to another country to blow the citizens of that country to bits with car bombs in market places and strapped to their bodies... they are trying to take down the airplanes that they are sitting in..


Would that not indicate that these were some pretty whacked out nutjobs by any defenition?

I guess you are saying that if we don't stir em up most of em will just starve to death or be butchered under their own leaders (or do the butchering) and not be a problem for us?

lazs

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Mustaine
all liquids are banned on all flights in the US.

except perhaps fuel when the plane is in a hurry to get places

[Edbert1]

Oh I get it alright. Anyone who doesn't see things your way is (using your words here):

"bunk"
"not quick on the uptake"
"brainless"
"[living in a] fantasy"


Thats okay though, continue hurling your personal attacks.

[Eagler]

wasn't Iraq paying families of the pal belt bomber cheekboness 25 grand a "pop"?
nah, no hint of terrorist activity in Iraq before crazy bush "invaded" that utopia with his "occupation" bound armed forces

[Momus--]

Originally posted by lazs2
so momus... you are saying that the guys who are terrorists in iraq now would have just remained law abiding non threatening little fundamentalists forever if we wouldn't have pushed em over the edge?

If someone bombed and invaded your country would you just roll over and play nice or would you resist? (I think you'd roll-over and suck it up)

these guys are darn easy to push over the edge in my opinon...  they are going to another country to blow the citizens of that country to bits with car bombs in market places and strapped to their bodies... they are trying to take down the airplanes that they are sitting in..

Yes, and the previous government was doing a really good job of stopping these nutjobs before we arrived.

I guess you are saying that if we don't stir em up most of em will just starve to death or be butchered under their own leaders (or do the butchering) and not be a problem for us?

No, that's a straw man of your own making.

Funny Edbert. Yes I used those exact words. I also provided a series of fact based arguments that you once again have totally failed to answer other than to go "OMG EURO APPEESER LOLLOLOLOL!!111" Should we try again later when mommy has given you your ritalin?

Yes Eagler, Iraq paid the families of suicide bombers in Palestine. So do US allies Saudi Arabia and Qatar and a host of other muslim nations. Are you arguing that we invaded Iraq and spent $300+ billion to save a few Israelis? Wouldn't it just have been cheaper and more effective to pay the Palestinians NOT to bomb Israel, say double what Saddam was offering? Or maybe just tell Saddam to stop doing paying them or else? Why hasn't Bush made an issue of the Saudis doing the same thing? What do ya reckon?

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Momus--
You're not very quick on the uptake are you? Starting to get it yet?

Munich Olympic Massacre, Sept. 5, 1972: Eight Palestinian "Black September" terrorists seized Israeli athletes in the Olympic Village in Munich, West Germany.

Ambassador to Sudan Assassinated, March 2, 1973: US Ambassador to Sudan Cleo A. Noel and other diplomats were assassinated at the Saudi Arabian Embassy in Khartoum by members of the Black September organization.

Entebbe Hostage Crisis, June 27, 1976: Members of the Baader -- Meinhof Group and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) seized an Air France airliner and its 258 passengers. They forced the airplane to land in Uganda, where on July 3 Israeli commandos successfully rescued the passengers.

Iran Hostage Crisis, Nov. 4, 1979: After President Carter agreed to admit the Shah of Iran into the US, Iranian radicals seized the US Embassy in Tehran and took 66 American diplomats hostage. Thirteen hostages were soon released, but the remaining 53 were held until their release Jan. 20, 1981.

Grand Mosque Seizure, Nov. 20, 1979: 200 Islamic terrorists seized the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, taking hundreds of pilgrims hostage. Saudi and French security forces retook the shrine after an intense battle in which some 250 people were killed and 600 wounded.

Assassination of Egyptian President, Oct. 6, 1981: Soldiers who were secretly members of the Takfir Wal-Hajira sect attacked and killed Egyptian President Anwar Sadat during a troop review.

Assassination of Lebanese President, Sept. 14, 1982: Premier Bashir Gemayel was assassinated by a car bomb parked outside his party's Beirut headquarters.

Bombing of US Embassy in Beirut, April 18, 1983: Sixty-three people, including the CIA's Middle East director, were killed and 120 were injured in a 400-pound suicide truck-bomb attack on the US Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.

Bombing of Marine Barracks, Beirut, Oct. 23, 1983: Simultaneous suicide truck-bomb attacks were made on American and French compounds in Beirut, Lebanon. A 12,000-pound bomb destroyed the US compound, killed 242 Americans, while 58 French troops were killed when a 400-pound device destroyed a French base. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.

Kidnapping of Embassy Official, March 16, 1984: The Islamic Jihad kidnapped and later murdered political officer William Buckley in Beirut, Lebanon. Other US citizens not connected to the US government were seized over a succeeding two-year period.

Restaurant Bombing, April 12, 1984: Eighteen US servicemen were killed and 83 people were injured in a bomb attack on a restaurant near a US air base in Torrejon, Spain. Responsibility was claimed by Hezbollah.

TWA Hijacking, June 14, 1985: A Trans World Airlines flight was hijacked en route to Rome from Athens by two Lebanese Hezbollah terrorists and forced to fly to Beirut. The eight crew members and 145 passengers were held for 17 days, during which one American hostage, a US Navy sailor, was murdered. After being flown twice to Algiers, the aircraft was returned to Beirut after Israel released 435 Lebanese and Palestinian prisoners.

Soviet Diplomats Kidnapped, Sept. 30, 1985: In Beirut, Lebanon, Sunni terrorists kidnapped four Soviet diplomats. One was killed, and three were later released.

Achille Lauro Hijacking, Oct. 7, 1985: Four Palestinian Liberation Front terrorists seized the Italian cruise liner in the eastern Mediterranean Sea, taking more than 700 hostages. One US passenger was murdered before the Egyptian government offered the terrorists safe haven in return for the hostages' freedom.

Egyptian Airliner Hijacking, Nov. 23, 1985: An EgyptAir airplane bound from Athens to Malta and carrying several US citizens was hijacked by the Abu Nidal group.

Aircraft Bombing in Greece, March 30, 1986: A Palestinian splinter group detonated a bomb as TWA Flight 840 approached Athens Airport, killing four US citizens.

Berlin Discotheque Bombing, April 5, 1986: Two US soldiers were killed and 79 American servicemen were injured in a Libyan bomb attack on a nightclub in West Berlin. In retaliation, US military jets bombed targets in and around Tripoli and Benghazi, Libya.

Kidnapping of William Higgins, Feb. 17, 1988: US Marine Corps Lt. Col. W. Higgins was kidnapped and murdered by the Iranian -- backed Hezbollah group while serving with the United Nations Truce Supervisory Organization (UNTSO) in southern Lebanon.

Pan Am 103 Bombing, Dec. 21, 1988: Pan American Airlines Flight 103 was blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland, by a bomb believed to have been placed on the aircraft in Frankfurt, West Germany, by Libyan terrorists. All 259 people on board were killed.

Attempted Iraqi Attacks on US Posts, Jan. 18 -- 19, 1991: Iraqi agents planted bombs at the US ambassador to Indonesia's home residence and at the US Information Service library in Manila.

Bombing of the Israeli Embassy in Argentina, March 17, 1992: Hezbollah claimed responsibility for a blast that leveled the Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aires, Argentina, causing the deaths of 29 and wounding 242.

World Trade Center Bombing, Feb. 26, 1993: The World Trade Center in New York City was badly damaged when a car bomb planted by Islamic terrorists exploded in an underground garage. The bomb left six people dead and 1,000 injured. The men carrying out the attack were followers of Umar Abd al-Rahman, an Egyptian cleric who preached in the New York City area.

Hebron Massacre, Feb. 25, 1994: Jewish right-wing extremist and US citizen Baruch Goldstein machine-gunned Moslem worshipers at a mosque in the West Bank town of Hebron, killing 29 and wounding about 150.

FARC Hostage-taking, Sept. 23, 1994: FARC rebels kidnapped US citizen Thomas Hargrove in Colombia.

Air France Hijacking, Dec. 24, 1994: Members of the Algerian Armed Islamic Group (GIA) seized an Air France flight. The four terrorists were killed during the rescue effort.

Jerusalem Bus Attack, Aug. 21, 1995: Hamas claimed responsibility for the detonation of a bomb that killed six and injured over 100 persons, including several US citizens.

Saudi Military Installation Attack, Nov. 13, 1995: The Islamic Movement of Change planted a bomb in a Riyadh military compound that killed one US citizen, several foreign national employees of the US government, and more than 40 others.

Egyptian Embassy Attack, Nov. 19, 1995: A suicide bomber drove a vehicle into the Egyptian Embassy compound in Islamabad, Pakistan, killing at least 16 and injuring 60 persons. Three militant Islamic groups claimed responsibility.

Hamas Bus Attack, Feb. 26, 1996: In Jerusalem, a suicide bomber blew up a bus, killing 26 persons, including three US citizens, and injuring some 80 persons, including three other US citizens.

Dizengoff Center Bombing, March 4, 1996: Hamas and the Palestine Islamic Jihad (PIJ) both claimed responsibility for a bombing outside of Tel Aviv's largest shopping mall that killed 20 persons and injured 75 others, including two US citizens.

Khobar Towers Bombing, June 25, 1996: A fuel truck carrying a bomb exploded outside the US military's Khobar Towers housing facility in Dhahran, killing 19 US military personnel and wounding 515 persons, including 240 US personnel. Several groups claimed responsibility for the attack.

Bombing of Archbishop of Oran, Aug. 1, 1996: A bomb exploded at the home of the French archbishop of Oran, killing him and his chauffeur. The attack occurred after the archbishop's meeting with the French foreign minister. The Algerian Armed Islamic Group (GIA) is suspected.

PUK Kidnapping, Sept. 13, 1996: In Iraq, Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) militants kidnapped four French workers for Pharmaciens Sans Frontieres, a Canadian United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) official, and two Iraqis.

Paris Subway Explosion, Dec. 3, 1996: A bomb exploded aboard a Paris subway train as it arrived at the Port Royal station, killing two French nationals, a Moroccan, and a Canadian and injuring 86 persons. Among those injured were one US citizen and a Canadian. No one claimed responsibility for the attack, but Algerian extremists are suspected.

Egyptian Letter Bombs, Jan. 2 -- 13, 1997: A series of letter bombs with Alexandria, Egypt, postmarks were discovered at Al-Hayat newspaper bureaus in Washington, D.C., New York City, London, and Riyadh.

Empire State Building Sniper Attack, Feb. 23, 1997: A Palestinian gunman opened fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building in New York City, killing a Danish national and wounding visitors from the US, Argentina, Switzerland, and France before turning the gun on himself. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claimed this was a punishment attack against the "enemies of Palestine."

Israeli Shopping Mall Bombing, Sept. 4, 1997: Three suicide bombers of Hamas detonated bombs in the Ben Yehuda shopping mall in Jerusalem, killing eight persons, including the bombers, and wounding nearly 200 others. A dual US -- Israeli citizen was among the dead, and seven US citizens were wounded.

[Masherbrum]

Tourist Killings in Egypt, Nov. 17, 1997: Al-Gama' at al-Islamiyya (IG) gunmen shot and killed 58 tourists and four Egyptians and wounded 26 others at the Hatshepsut Temple in the Valley of the Kings near Luxor.

Somali Hostage-takings, April 15, 1998: Somali militiamen abducted nine Red Cross and Red Crescent workers at an airstrip north of Mogadishu. The hostages included a US citizen, a German, a Belgian, a French, a Norwegian, two Swiss, and one Somali. The gunmen were members of a subclan loyal to Ali Mahdi Mohammed, who controlled the northern section of the capital.

US Embassy Bombings in East Africa, Aug. 7, 1998: A bomb exploded at the rear entrance of the US Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya, killing 12 US citizens, 32 Foreign Service Nationals (FSNs), and 247 Kenyan citizens. About 5,000 Kenyans, six US citizens, and 13 FSNs were injured. The US Embassy building sustained extensive structural damage. Almost simultaneously, a bomb detonated outside the US Embassy in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, killing seven FSNs and three Tanzanian citizens and injuring one US citizen and 76 Tanzanians. The explosion caused major structural damage to the US Embassy facility. The US government held Osama bin Laden responsible.

Kidnappings in Kyrgyzstan, Aug. 12, 2000: In the Kara-Su Valley, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan took four US citizens hostage. The Americans escaped Aug. 12.

Attack on USS Cole, Oct. 12, 2000: In Aden, Yemen, a small dinghy carrying explosives rammed the destroyer USS Cole, killing 17 sailors and injuring 39 others. Supporters of Osama bin Laden were suspected.

Manila Bombing, Dec. 30, 2000: A bomb exploded in a plaza across the street from the US Embassy in Manila, injuring nine persons. The Moro Islamic Liberation Front was likely responsible.

Bus Stop Bombing, April 22, 2001: A member of Hamas detonated a bomb he was carrying near a bus stop in K far Siva, Israel, killing one person and injuring 60.

Tel Aviv Nightclub Bombing, June 1, 2001: Hamas claimed responsibility for the bombing of a popular Israeli nightclub that caused over 140 casualties.

Hamas Restaurant Bombing, Aug. 9, 2001: A Hamas -- planted bomb detonated in a Jerusalem pizza restaurant, killing 15 people and wounding more than 90.

Terrorist Attacks on US Homeland, Sept. 11, 2001: Two hijacked airliners crashed into the twin towers of the World Trade Center. The Pentagon was struck by a third hijacked airplane, and a fourth hijacked airplane crashed into a field in southern Pennsylvania. More than 5,000 US citizens and other nationals were killed as a result of these acts.


I got it a long time ago.  Personally the ONLY negotiator for the Terrorists in this world, should be a bullet in their head.

[Edbert1]

Originally posted by Momus--
Funny Edbert. Yes I used those exact words. I also provided a series of fact based arguments that you once again have totally failed to answer other than to go "OMG EURO APPEESER LOLLOLOLOL!!111" Should we try again later when mommy has given you your ritalin?

Sheesh, can we stop the personal attacks already, don;t need an MP here do we?

I see not one single fact in your post, nothing more than opinions, which of course you are entitled to, just like everyone else. I have found that it is usually preferable to attack an oponents policy with common sense rather than personal attacks is all. I attacked the "policy of appeasement", as history is replete with examples of it's (the policy's) failure; I did not attack those who hold to said policy. I guess if you see me adding the term "European" in front of the term "policy of appeasement" as an insult or attack then you're the one who needs to do some soul-searching.


Edited to add quote at top for context, it appeared I was referring my friend the floyd-fan Karaya

[Momus--]

Masherbrum, I bow to your elite cut and paste skills. You unfortunately forgot to include a point though.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Momus--
Masherbrum, I bow to your elite cut and paste skills. You unfortunately forgot to include a point though.

You should set down the watermelon shovel, you look a little tired.    Take a shower, looks like you went swimming while trying to find your shovel.    How's that for a point?

[Edbert1]

Originally posted by Momus--
Masherbrum, I bow to your elite cut and paste skills. You unfortunately forgot to include a point though.

The point is obvious, the region was replete with terrorism before we invaded and that these whackos are not of our creation as you maintain. It's not that hard to figure out, you're a relatively intelligent person, keep trying, you'll get there.