Author Topic: Convoy ambush video (Read 2156 times)

g00b · « **Reply #45 on:** October 01, 2006, 03:59:49 PM »

Everything else aside, you'd have to be nuts to not carry a sidearm AT THE VERY LEAST in that sort of a situation. I'd be wearing a helmet and body armor too, and probably packing an SMG if I could get away with it.

Dago · « **Reply #46 on:** October 01, 2006, 04:40:48 PM »

I think maybe Aqua has been watching too many Chuck Norris movies, his ability to distinquish between reality and television/movies is sadly failing.

Dowding · « **Reply #47 on:** October 01, 2006, 05:09:04 PM »

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It was a fact that the mission the carrier was assigned was accomplished, and that is all it referred to.

Ha ha ha ha ha!

Actually, the sign was left there from a previous VIP visitor, a certain Reverend Umboto Gorge, who had just completed the building of a new evangelical chapel in deepest, darkest Africa.

They just forgot to take it down.

x0847Marine · « **Reply #48 on:** October 01, 2006, 05:40:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Angus
Am I wrong, or :
1: The escort drove on despite being called.
2. There was no cover for the next 40 minutes.

WTF is that supposed to be? Some escort and communication yes?

After the truck in front of it exploded, was that Hummer supposed to just sit there? Experience has taught them the 1st explosion is to draw them in for suqsequent explosions... the best thing to do is beat feet, rally and counter attack... which is exactly what they did... least we forget they did rescue that driver.

Otherwise you risk everyone in that hummer being blown up as a sitting duck.

You'll also notice the hummer accelerates BEFORE truck 5 advises hes disabled, we dont even know if that hummer had comm, or knew truck 5 was behind him & disabled.. heck we dont even know if that hummer was taking rounds, nobody in their right mind will just sit there with bullets impacting the ride home. They lose that hummer, they're all royally screwed.

Didnt see any RGPs said some one?, suprised?, you're looking at an EDITED incident through a straw hole.. the road behind them could have been lined with ambushers / unfriendlies.

IF you want to lay blame on tactics, the convoy commander mis read his map causing them to miss a turn, beyond that he got his troop through it alive and rescued a trapped driver. Outstanding given the resources they had.

The driver said it took 40 min, we dont know thats accurate...I'm sure it felt like a lifetime to that dude sitting there looking at the end of his being.

Viking · « **Reply #49 on:** October 01, 2006, 08:23:13 PM »

To me all that video showed was yet more proof that Iraq is a lost cause. And if the escorts are ordered to abandon the convoy if they are ambushed, what's the point of having the escorts in the first place. When I was on convoy escort we were ordered to protect disabled vehicles until help arrived. Our SISU's had more amour though.

AquaShrimp · « **Reply #50 on:** October 01, 2006, 11:51:07 PM »

Oh Maverick and Dago, I can't even take what you all say seriously. You guys are so brainwashed.

Just for the record, I'm a registered Republican. Studying military history has been a hobby of mine for many years. I'm informed enough to make my own decisions on the video I watched.

You can make excuses and justifications for what we saw in the video all you want. But to an objective (and educated) person, the situation in this particular part of the convoy collapsed.

x0847Marine · « **Reply #51 on:** October 02, 2006, 04:16:49 AM »

The reality of being shot at for real isn't something a Monday morning QB can relate to.

Angus · « **Reply #52 on:** October 02, 2006, 04:30:40 AM »

Well, I still see an ambush where the escort runs and comes to pick up the survivor in 40 minutes.
Try to compare that to some gritty escorts in WW2.

Suave · « **Reply #53 on:** October 02, 2006, 05:23:28 AM »

Notice how those Erinys guys in the video I posted a link to do pretty much the opposite of what the national guard did.

Looking at it pragmatically, what is the point of an escort if they are trained to leave the escortee when the shooting starts? Seems incongruent with the definition of armed escort.

Excel1 · « **Reply #54 on:** October 02, 2006, 07:02:22 AM »

I think those national guardsmen have been unfairly judged and slammed on the basis of a 2 minute video clip without regard to the realities of the urban fighting in that sheet hole they served/serve in. The standard operating procedure in an ambush situation that some people seem to find so abhorrent might be a clue to just how dangerous and difficult their job is.

Maverick · « **Reply #55 on:** October 02, 2006, 07:28:32 AM »

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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Oh Maverick and Dago, I can't even take what you all say seriously. You guys are so brainwashed.

Just for the record, I'm a registered Republican. Studying military history has been a hobby of mine for many years. I'm informed enough to make my own decisions on the video I watched.

You can make excuses and justifications for what we saw in the video all you want. But to an objective (and educated) person, the situation in this particular part of the convoy collapsed.

Just a clue here,

Which ever party you are registered to vote with is totally irrelevant to the discussion of the tactical situation. Brainwashed?? HHHmmm that's a very interesting term for someone who has actually gone through the training and understands tactical doctrine.

Perhaps you are not as "objective" as you think you are.

"Studying military history" hardly puts you in position to know what to do in a real world situation. You've never trained for it much less been there. That statement of yours is pretty much like the Holiday Inn Express commercial. You slept there so all of a sudden you are an expert. Yeah right. Reading about it no more qualifies you for the task than reading a first aid book qualifies you for a job as a nurse.

Saintaw · « **Reply #56 on:** October 02, 2006, 07:44:48 AM »

Like others here said: Why isn't that driver armed? Is that part of their contract? if it is... looks pretty silly to me. I'd be packing an 88, some nukes and a dozen gatlings in my pockets if I were to be a truck driver there...

Shifty · « **Reply #57 on:** October 02, 2006, 07:47:18 AM »

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Originally posted by AquaShrimp

Studying military history has been a hobby of mine for many years.

The people in the video are not enjoying a hobby.

Angus · « **Reply #58 on:** October 02, 2006, 07:48:32 AM »

Armed would have been better. But he thought he had an escort.

-Concho- · « **Reply #59 on:** October 02, 2006, 08:45:03 AM »

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Originally posted by AquaShrimp

Studying military history has been a hobby of mine for many years. I'm informed enough to make my own decisions on the video I watched.

You can make excuses and justifications for what we saw in the video all you want. But to an objective (and educated) person, the situation in this particular part of the convoy collapsed.

To me this statement is laughable.

You have a man, who presumably has never faced hostile fire, judging the actions of a group of men that are in a life or death situation.

**** yes convoys collapse under fire, it's a scary situation. The truck driver knew when he asked to go to Iraq that:

A. There is war going on.
B. They hate America.
C. He won't have a gun.
D. He may die.

It seems to me his greed for money out weighed his common sense.

You being an educated man and having an extensive knowledge of infantry tactics upon engagement and enemy behavior maybe you should join the military branch of your choice and put that knowledge to good use.