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« Reply #165 on: October 08, 2006, 03:36:09 AM »
Gentlemen.
Religion always held back science.First flight,first book,first medicine.Wars in the name of God...
You know what?F...ck God,bible,co-ran and Talmud.
Every holy book condemns the other one,so which religion is the right one?
"It is the greatest inequality to try to make unequal things equal."-Aristotle

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« Reply #166 on: October 08, 2006, 04:16:15 AM »
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which religion is the right one?


I have always been a strong beliver in norse mythology. You should check it out some time, it may hold the answers you seek.

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« Reply #167 on: October 08, 2006, 10:09:31 AM »
chair... saying you have no religion does not mean that you have gone off the deep end to athiesm....  other polls have showed that the belief in god is staying pretty stable in the U.S. and rising slightly worldwide.

I noticed that when people tell you that discriminating against the athiest religion is wrong... you ignore it.   you don't say thanks you continue to attack christians... you definetly have a grudge agenda going.

I do not believe that any religion should be discriminated against including athiesm... a mans faith is his own business... if he doesn't want to swear on a bible that is fine... most courts will not force you.

If the athiests want to form a childrens group and exclude every other religion that is also fine with me.

As was said... we are all living under a lot worse laws that discriminate and are unconstitutional than the boy scouts getting some support from taxes or having to swear on a bible... seat belt laws... helmet laws... gun control laws... free speech laws... hate crime laws... the confiscation of private property.. unlawful taxes... non smoking laws in private homes... drug laws..

Horrible stuff.....

   I think any percieved athiest discrimination is laughable in it's harmlessness comparitively speaking but yes...  I am against it.

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« Reply #168 on: October 08, 2006, 11:05:13 AM »
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I have always been a strong beliver in norse mythology. You should check it out some time, it may hold the answers you seek.


I belive that :rofl
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« Reply #169 on: October 08, 2006, 11:08:27 AM »
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I have always been a strong beliver in horse proctology


Too much info  :p

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« Reply #170 on: October 08, 2006, 11:44:12 AM »
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Gentlemen.
Religion always held back science.First flight,first book,first medicine.Wars in the name of God...
You know what?F...ck God,bible,co-ran and Talmud.
Every holy book condemns the other one,so which religion is the right one?


KgB, it's never a good idea to confront a group alcoholics about their drinking, or a group of drug addicts about their drug-use. Inevitably, you'll get an angry, egomaniacal, aggressive response that generally amounts to 'how dare you!!??'

The problem is that all these who persist in their worship of Grown Up Santa and the various variations don't really care about scientific advancement. They care more about their own inner peace than about any other, more global sort of harmony. The result is a die hard approach to religion, just as die hard as any other addict whose brain cells have been reorganized around one primary focus.

I suggest you do what the bulk of them never will. Live and let live, and move on.

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« Reply #171 on: October 08, 2006, 12:15:17 PM »
hmm... I believe in god and have no problem with science...  I am aganostic about some of the more bizarre scientific theories (not a true believer like angus say) but..  I enjoy a good scientific advancement as much as the next guy.

I don't think that the athiest religion is an drug or anything...  I have nothing against athiests or their religion.   I would not discriminate against them and am not surprised when they get all angry and defensive and attack others religion while pretending that they have no agenda.

I have never seen someone who bothered to call himself an athiest who was not fervent in his faith and..... preachy.

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« Reply #172 on: October 08, 2006, 01:48:17 PM »
Believe what you want.  It's no skin off my nose.  But the vitriolic bile spewed by fanatics on both sides of this issue gets old...mighty old.

I can honestly say that I don't hate atheists.  I hardly ever give atheism a thought...unless I see a thread like this on these bbs.  Regardless of whether or not it is started by an atheist or a theist or a Christian or a Muslim or a Hindu or WhatHaveYou I couldn't care less....say what you want, believe what you want.  Just check your hate at the door first.


For, gentlemen, one thing I firmly believe in, without fear of contradiction and in the utter certainty that this is the one thing about which I'm right...ALL hatred is TAUGHT.  No matter how much you or I might think we reach such attitudes and conclusions on our own we are, in effect, blank slates upon which other people attempt to write.

Bulletin boards and blogs such as this are the tools that modern discontents use to leave their stamp on others or write their messages on the slates of impressionable minds...or, perhaps, to convince themselves that their ideas and beliefs occupy some type of nebulous, intellectual high ground.

So, when someone attempts to paint another group as being in some way inferior, whether intellectually, religiously, or whatever....the warning flags go up.  As they should for anyone who reads such.

It is no more fair to say that all Christians want to wrest from others their rights than it is to say that all atheists are pedophiles, or all Muslims are head-splitting fanatics, or all Germans were or are Nazies.

Such stereotyping is never justified.

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« Reply #173 on: October 08, 2006, 08:52:38 PM »
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Nothing miraculous about it.  However I don't find the sun to be any more miraculous than I find the Earth holding a stable orbit for years miraculous.


Then explain why it doesn't deviate off course. The most minute deviation would render this planet inhabitable to all life forms. I'm familiar with gravitational pull. And I am also familiar with Kepler's Laws and some other mathematical conjecture that tries to explain it. But that Earth just hopped into a near-perfect elliptical orbit with the Sun.... is hard to believe. Most objects nearing the Sun for the first time - get slingshot somewhere else never to return. So this planet had to initially come from somewhere to get HERE. And stay here. And gravity wants us to become one with the Sun, but something has to hold us back. I don't believe it's the earth all by it's little self.

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« Reply #174 on: October 09, 2006, 03:52:15 AM »
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Then explain why it doesn't deviate off course. The most minute deviation would render this planet inhabitable to all life forms. I'm familiar with gravitational pull. And I am also familiar with Kepler's Laws and some other mathematical conjecture that tries to explain it. But that Earth just hopped into a near-perfect elliptical orbit with the Sun.... is hard to believe. Most objects nearing the Sun for the first time - get slingshot somewhere else never to return. So this planet had to initially come from somewhere to get HERE. And stay here. And gravity wants us to become one with the Sun, but something has to hold us back. I don't believe it's the earth all by it's little self.


Earth is not special in this regard, an untold number of objects orbit other objects all over the universe.

Of course the Earth came from somewhere, just like the other planets. I could buy into a "higher power just for our planet" opinion IF Earth acted in sharp contrast to everything else in the universe.

When did the holy man & scientist decide 'some' things were caused by 'god', yet others were not? and where is the list?,

I'd like to know what is the doing of a higher power, and what is science....

If my x-GF was sent by god to torture me, and isn't just another scientifically proven run of the mill lunitic... I'd like to know who I can sacrifice to end this bs.

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« Reply #175 on: October 09, 2006, 04:41:25 AM »
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seat belt laws... helmet laws... gun control laws...


OMG TEH END! :rofl

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« Reply #176 on: October 09, 2006, 05:37:49 AM »
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Believe what you want.  It's no skin off my nose.  But the vitriolic bile spewed by fanatics on both sides of this issue gets old...mighty old.

I can honestly say that I don't hate atheists.  I hardly ever give atheism a thought...unless I see a thread like this on these bbs.  Regardless of whether or not it is started by an atheist or a theist or a Christian or a Muslim or a Hindu or WhatHaveYou I couldn't care less....say what you want, believe what you want.  Just check your hate at the door first.


For, gentlemen, one thing I firmly believe in, without fear of contradiction and in the utter certainty that this is the one thing about which I'm right...ALL hatred is TAUGHT.  No matter how much you or I might think we reach such attitudes and conclusions on our own we are, in effect, blank slates upon which other people attempt to write.

Bulletin boards and blogs such as this are the tools that modern discontents use to leave their stamp on others or write their messages on the slates of impressionable minds...or, perhaps, to convince themselves that their ideas and beliefs occupy some type of nebulous, intellectual high ground.

So, when someone attempts to paint another group as being in some way inferior, whether intellectually, religiously, or whatever....the warning flags go up.  As they should for anyone who reads such.

It is no more fair to say that all Christians want to wrest from others their rights than it is to say that all atheists are pedophiles, or all Muslims are head-splitting fanatics, or all Germans were or are Nazies.

Such stereotyping is never justified.


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« Reply #177 on: October 09, 2006, 05:58:35 AM »
Don't get so hopped up about the Earth being extra special.

The basic unit of life is the cell.  We as humans just happen to be a huge glob of cells.  But certain cells can live almost anywhere.  


Heres some for example:

Acidophile -Grows at pH values less than 2

Alkalophile -Grows at pH values greater than 10
 
Hyperthermophile  -Grows at 90 °C or above, although optimal temperature for growth is generally above 80 °C; maximal growth of pure cultures occurs between 110 °C and 113 °C, although the maximum (113 °C) may well increase as further research is done  

Theres other bacteria that can only grow under extreme pressures, and bacteria that live far under the ice in antartica.

So...if you're saying Earth is special because we have life that grows within 300 degree temperature range, a pH range of 0-10, and pressure ranges from 100 atmospheres to less than 1 atmosphere, then I bet some other planets fit the bill too.

Among scientists, especially biologists, the question is not whether there is life on other planets.  The question is- Do these other lifeforms use DNA for replication, or some other system?

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« Reply #178 on: October 09, 2006, 06:10:15 AM »
aqua, provide and anwser to the persistently nagging question of origin where did this tenacious life come from?  while you're at it also provide one example of chaos evolving into order.

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« Reply #179 on: October 09, 2006, 06:17:16 AM »
oh good.  we're making intolerant little zealots too.

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