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« Reply #45 on: October 09, 2006, 10:26:54 PM »
Roger that but "in the name of" is not the same as "the name is".  There are some awards whose proper title includes such a person or group including the "Presidential Unit Citation" and the "Navy Cross"; however, the MOH, while approved by Congress is, correctly, just the "Medal of Honor".   Adding "Congressional" would be like calling a Meritorious Service Medal the Secretary of Defense Meritorious Service Medal because he approves the award.
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« Reply #46 on: October 10, 2006, 12:38:40 AM »


"On August 5, 1958 President Dwight Eisenhower signed legislation sent to him by Congress  chartering the CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL OF HONOR SOCIETY."

The society calls it either, but apparently prefers MOH to CMOH, even tough their name may indicate the opposite.

What is in a name? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet... and any man wearing or the memory of anyone who was awarded a MOH (CMOH) deserves reverence.
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« Reply #47 on: October 10, 2006, 06:49:15 AM »
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He was a submariner of little to no distinction and resigned after only seven years at the rank of Lieutenant.  That should not qualify him.  The fact he was a president of little to no distinction also should not have qualified him.  Don't think I've ever seen a USS Richard M. Nixon.  He was both a president and served was a Lieutenant Commander in WWII.  If Nixon wouldn't get a ship because he was a crook, don't think Carter should get one for being a dolt.


Your opinon is of Carter is up to you. The naming of US Navy warships is not. Like I stated earlier. I'm no fan of his administration but I don't see how calling him a dolt on this board  serves to promote your arguemment.

I'm tired of hearing and seeing Presidents slandered and belittled. He had the toughest job on earth at a critical point in history. We have the same thing going on now even worse. It's gotten to the point of being absurd. You can call Carter names but it was the American people that voted him in office.

The majority of people that serve in the military do so with little or no distinction. It's usually an extrodanary circumstance that gives people a chance to rise to the occasion of being a hero. It doesn't happen everyday.
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« Reply #48 on: October 10, 2006, 07:10:42 AM »
Well, I think the fact that the Navy named a sub after Carter does nothing to change my opinion that he's a dolt.  He dismantled a marvelous, cheap, and effective volunteer "civil defense" organization because it sounded too warlike, and came up with FEMA to replace it.  Nice job retard.  Of course, it's boosh's fault that FEMA does what ALL govt agencies do when their mission only really gets called on every once in a while...  It spends all it's time growing larger in an attempt to justify it's existence.  That's EXACTLY the kind of thing that should be left to a nationally organized but locally led volunteer organization.  Staff it with volunteers and retired veterans, feed it with ceremony, honors, and surplus military/police/medical gear, and call it up when the shxt hits the fan and see what good work American volunteer organizations can do when needed.  Worked fine for decades, and it was disabled primarly to placate the Commies.  Well, the Commies are gone so let's bring it back.  Oh yea, the big govt types (both dems and Repubs) would never let that happen...

Don't get gooshy about Carter...  I truly think he's a great humanitarian but he was a crappy President who is STILL unable to face tough decisions.  The NK nuke test is a huge case in point...  Had we not gone into Iraq 3 yrs ago, then we'd probably be whining about a synchronized NK/Iraqi nuke test instead of just worrying about the NK test.

Carter... Bah.  Yea he's a President and therefore a candidate for naming a carrier or sub, but he's still a tard.
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« Reply #49 on: October 10, 2006, 07:15:35 AM »
how do you get a ship named after you? http://www.ussfletcher.org/bigelow.html  there's a link to the USS Bigelow on which I served with no distinction but with much joy and enjoying many adventures.

I'm with shifty regarding the mistreatment of our presidents.  having said that president carter was a terrible president, a collective brain fart put him on office and that was all.  I served in president carter's navy during a period in time when there was little pride in or recognition of the serviceman.  I served because I felt obligated to serve.  I considered a career but my six year service experiences and the crappy way in which the navy was run at the time caused me to decide to take a different carreer path.

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« Reply #50 on: October 10, 2006, 07:39:36 AM »
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how do you get a ship named after you? http://www.ussfletcher.org/bigelow.html  there's a link to the USS Bigelow on which I served with no distinction but with much joy and enjoying many adventures.

I'm with shifty regarding the mistreatment of our presidents.  having said that president carter was a terrible president, a collective brain fart put him on office and that was all.  I served in president carter's navy during a period in time when there was little pride in or recognition of the serviceman.  I served because I felt obligated to serve.  I considered a career but my six year service experiences and the crappy way in which the navy was run at the time caused me to decide to take a different carreer path.


Same here Storch I served from Carter to Clinton. There was little or no recognition then for anyone. I saw positive changes in the military begin under Reagan. Still it took Desert Storm for the country to quit treating servicemen as some kind of lepers. Not a president. In fact the whole country should be ashamed of how Vietnam era servicemen were treated.
Now we seem to do it to presidents instead of servicemen.

Eagl I believe you're one of the people serving and protecting us now. I would never want to squelch your political opinons.  As for me I'm just tired of it, I've done it myself for years . However the more I look at the presidents current and past....................

You can have that damn job. It takes an extrordinary person to complete a four year tour of constant personal attacks. Much less a lifetime of it afterwards. I'm for a warship named after every president.

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« Reply #51 on: October 10, 2006, 07:48:03 AM »
not to belabor the point shifty but what type of boat should we name for president clinton?  I'm all for a river boat/casino/brothel with it's own mcdonalds.

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« Reply #52 on: October 10, 2006, 07:58:03 AM »
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not to belabor the point shifty but what type of boat should we name for president clinton?  I'm all for a river boat/casino/brothel with it's own mcdonalds.

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Now that's about as tasty of lure as I've seen in years. Good thing I had a nice breakfest or I'd be tempted to to hit it and get reeled in.:D

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« Reply #53 on: October 10, 2006, 08:06:17 AM »
Shifty,

You're right about how we treat our presidents...  I think the personal attacks are a bit out of hand.  Maybe I should have said that I strongly disagree with almost every one of Carter's presidential decisions, his personal beliefs regarding international liberal thought, and every single word he's uttered on political topics since he left office, except for his work on volunteer charity work.

Fair enough?  :)
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« Reply #54 on: October 10, 2006, 08:18:10 AM »
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Shifty,

You're right about how we treat our presidents...  I think the personal attacks are a bit out of hand.  Maybe I should have said that I strongly disagree with almost every one of Carter's presidential decisions, his personal beliefs regarding international liberal thought, and every single word he's uttered on political topics since he left office, except for his work on volunteer charity work.

Fair enough?  :)


More than fair Zoomie.


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« Reply #55 on: October 10, 2006, 08:21:42 AM »
I think Storch has it right :)  How about one of the rebuilt New Orleans riverboat casinos?
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« Reply #56 on: October 10, 2006, 02:16:51 PM »
Why bother, just name a sunken houseboat with a load of tuna in the hold the uss clinton.   Use the clinton of choice in your visualizations.



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« Reply #57 on: October 10, 2006, 08:35:45 PM »
they already named a destroyer after John McCain
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« Reply #58 on: October 10, 2006, 08:46:01 PM »
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they already named a destroyer after John McCain
 


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« Reply #59 on: October 10, 2006, 09:05:49 PM »
zOMG i noe that :D :D :D :D
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