Author Topic: so long habeus corpus. (Read 5851 times)

WilldCrd · « **Reply #15 on:** October 18, 2006, 11:50:17 AM »

gracious choirboy

Bluefish · « **Reply #16 on:** October 18, 2006, 12:21:07 PM »

I don't suppose it's significant that Abraham Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus without even bothering to ask Congress, and for much the same reason ("...[D]isloyal persons are not adequately restrained by the ordinary processes of law from hindering this measure [suppression of the rebellion] and from giving aid and comfort in various ways to the insurrection." ). BTW, in the same proclamation he also set up military tribunals to try civilians. (http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=425).

History seems to have forgiven him, despite the fact that he was a Republican too.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #17 on:** October 18, 2006, 12:30:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
I got a couple of PMs asking for links about this, figured I'd post them here:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2579729
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/10/17/olbermann-the-day-habeas-corpus-died/

Crooks and liars!?!

Why not just link Democratic underground?

Chairboy · « **Reply #18 on:** October 18, 2006, 12:30:24 PM »

Lincoln's actions had a tremendous long term effect on our liberties. I'm no fan of the South and the politics that it espoused, but I believe Lincoln's actions were unconstitutional as well. Armed rebellion is almost encouraged in the documents that establish our country, and changing the rules mid-stream the way he did set a dangerous precedent. Today's signing is another brick in that road that leads away from the image our founding fathers had. I don't know where this road is going, but I suspect it is not Oz.

Chairboy · « **Reply #19 on:** October 18, 2006, 12:32:35 PM »

Rip, care to comment on the content? I know you understand the definition Holden McGroin provided earlier in this thread.

Hawco · « **Reply #20 on:** October 18, 2006, 12:36:14 PM »

Just wondering how long it is till the goons start knocking on doors delcaring us to be 'enemy combatants"

Ripsnort · « **Reply #21 on:** October 18, 2006, 12:39:13 PM »

Hmm, preventing representation for enemy combatants of the US who want to bring in a nuclear weapon and vaporize your community...or eliminating habeus corpus....tough decision...

john9001 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 18, 2006, 12:41:00 PM »

so Chairboy, please tell us how you would fight the terrorists that will kill women and childern, (maybe you or your neighbors), and call themselves heros.

tell us please, or maybe more important , tell the president and congress.

save us Chairboy, save us.

Chairboy has no answers, he can only criticize, he wants to give the protections of the constitution to those that willingly kill women and childern.

appeaser.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #23 on:** October 18, 2006, 12:45:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Hawco
Just wondering how long it is till the goons start knocking on doors delcaring us to be 'enemy combatants"

They're just waiting for our guns to be taken away.

JB88 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 18, 2006, 12:47:00 PM »

just because you think that somebody might want to nook you doesnt mean that the government should EVER exclude the rights of any citizen to know thier accuser, know what charges are being brought against them or have the right to a public trial with legal representation.

suddenly, we find ourselves in an war against an unnamed enemy with no clear way of knowing when it is over.

i dont like it. not one bit.

for the life of me i cannot understand how anyone who was raised to believe in a fair and equitable society could.

J_A_B · « **Reply #25 on:** October 18, 2006, 12:47:41 PM »

"Chairboy has no answers, he can only criticize, he wants to give the protections of the constitution to those that willingly kill women and childern."

If said killers are US citizens, they deserve the protection of the constitution. Without that, all you're left with is vigilante justice.

J_A_B

Ripsnort · « **Reply #26 on:** October 18, 2006, 12:49:34 PM »

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Originally posted by JB88
just because you think that somebody might want to nook you doesnt mean that the government should EVER eclude the rights of any citizen to know thier accuser, know what charges are being brought against them or have the right to a public trial with legal representation.

suddenly, we find ourselves in an war against an unnamed enemy with no clear way of knowing when it is over.

i dont like it. not one bit.

and for the life of me i cannot understand how anyone who was raised to believe in a fair and equitable society could.

So release everyone in Gitmo and house them in the liberal households of the US. Problem solved!

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #27 on:** October 18, 2006, 12:54:42 PM »

JAB, you talk about vigilante justice like it's a bad thing.

Debonair · « **Reply #28 on:** October 18, 2006, 01:11:50 PM »

it makes great made-for-TV movies

Yeager · « **Reply #29 on:** October 18, 2006, 01:25:01 PM »

whatever happened to H.R. Pufnstuf? We could sure use some of that flute action around here