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Offline Oldman731

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« Reply #30 on: November 03, 2006, 09:20:50 PM »
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What is this losing thing you speak of?  Why would someone worry about losing?  Are people so wraped up in this GAME that they worry about losing?  20 perk points?

Please keep up, Airscrew.  There is a large group of people who find no joy in air combat itself.  They are here for the simplified war game aspect of AH2.

I expected that you would have paid better attention.

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« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2006, 09:34:34 PM »
The point I'm making is...You can wack the crap outta me in 1 arena and then I can wack the crap outta you in the other arena.  Then we can chace each other around ALL the soddin arenas all night long and still not get in a situation that is balanced.

And the reason is ... because most people don't want to change sides or most people need numbers to survive and be successful ... pick one ... or both.

Do you really want to be on the over numbered side ?  Do you want to be outnumbered side.  You want to be the gang banger or the bangie ?

99.9% of the time ... I am flying for the least populated side ... because I try to balance/help ... but I am only 1 person. Flying for the outnumbered side usually keeps me occupied with plenty of fights ... and that is mainly what I am here for.

So far you came up with the nearist to best solution as I stated in the OPENING thread,  however you are entitled to change your mind.

Not changing my mind ... my solution only rewards those who will choose to fly with the lesser populated countries and at the same time it will work towards balancing the arena ... so those who refuse to change sides now ... well ... it will be of no help to them ... they would still be the ones on the outside looking in if it were implemented.
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« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2006, 09:36:46 PM »
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thing is, we whine people dont want to fight, then you are basicaly saying its ok for them to quit and not fight...which side you on? :)


Oh, I am not condoning what they are doing ... I can just understand it.
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« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2006, 09:40:52 PM »
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slap****et, storch, ack wack

You are what we call tankers


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pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is a "tanker"?  I'm guessing is has nothing to do with GVs.


PETROL TANKER ... Cockney rhyming slang for an obnoxious person (banana).

Did he just call me a name ...  :cry ... I am not going to be able to sleep tonight and I will probably lay on the couch all day tomorrow pouting.

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« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2006, 10:06:40 PM »
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What is this losing thing you speak of?  Why would someone worry about losing?  Are people so wraped up in this GAME that they worry about losing?  20 perk points?


constantly dying, or getting ganged is BORING. Someone gets ganged, they quit and move to arena that has better numbers (FOR THEM) but then make it even worse on the guys they left in the 1st..... so they quit too..... it snowballs out of control.
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« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2006, 11:55:36 PM »
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What is this losing thing you speak of?  Why would someone worry about losing?  Are people so wraped up in this GAME that they worry about losing?  20 perk points?



  The point of playing any game is to win is it not?   The Air combat is 1 part of the bigger game.   AH provides so much more than just that one part.. I have no problem if you Just like to fly a fighter and shoot people down, I like it also but I also get enjoyment from the rest of the game that HiTech has programed. If HT didn't want anyone to play beyond the simple furball he would have quit programing right after he got the planes and flight models for those planes done.

  Also I get tired of people trying to constantly make out that the lousy 20 or what ever perk points is the reason to win the war...  I have a few thousand perks in all catagories so the reset perks are just silly to me. :)  I hardly fly any perk planes any way.

  Lastly again on the side swaping.  I still wouldn't want to change sides at least untill we got to a reset.. I want to fight for 1 side untill we win or lose the war..   I think the ENY restrictions are a good way to help with unbalanced #'s and HT says he is working on smoothing it out so we'll see. Those that don't like being limited in planes and that don't mind jumping will do so. Those of us that don't care will live with it.  Not to meantion I usually fly planes that are not touched by the ENY so I'm fine with it.
  I can see the possibility of going to the side with lowest #'s at login but what happens when the #'s get high again on what ever side I'm on?  I have to jump back over to the first side and help them win even though I was just trying to help the other side win?

  Again it comes down to---- Changing sides works fine for those that just want some good old fighter combat and that is ok by me, but jumping dosn't work so well for those that are going for the longer ranging goals in the game.
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« Reply #36 on: November 04, 2006, 01:05:18 AM »
If one side (say "A") outnumbers others, ppl in that side usually just milkrun, steamroll and vulch instead of switch side. After some time ppl in inferior side becomes tired been ganged and vulched, leave this arena and join another. Ppl in side "A" either continues to fight with bildings and "win war" (tm) or go to forum and whine because they now dont have enough targets.

Funny, isnt it? :huh
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« Reply #37 on: November 04, 2006, 01:30:44 AM »
Any capable fighter pilot can up an uber ride and kill more than 5 enemy.  with the ENY restrictions.

My biggest grief lately has been these same maps.  

But if we had those even numbers on a big map lynx we still had one country getting ganged on both fronts  myself and my squad flew nit for a good 6 months to help them out.

It wasn't pretty knights would get bullied and harassed.  Least with the new setup its on a smaller scale.  i'd rather fight 6 vs 1 over a base than 30 vs 5.  I know that with a little help we can repulse an attack whereas the old style setup we wouldnt stand a chance.

what I'm trying to say is numbers arent everything i'd rather have quality pilots on my side vs bish dweeb horde anyday and even if they do reset the map I would have had fun getting a large portion of kills.

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« Reply #38 on: November 04, 2006, 01:39:19 AM »
My problem is Im too lazy to bounce around maintaining balance for the arenas.

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« Reply #39 on: November 04, 2006, 01:54:03 AM »
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« Reply #40 on: November 04, 2006, 05:00:30 AM »
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actually what I am is a noah's ark.  go pack sand, tin lid.

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« Reply #41 on: November 04, 2006, 09:06:46 AM »
Human nature of the horde dweeb has to be overcome here:



Notice the large # of planes on the bish-nit border:furious
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« Reply #42 on: November 04, 2006, 09:39:19 AM »
The main thing that attracted me to this game was the Massive Online format. HUGE numbers of planes in battle all at once, and they were all PEOPLE. If I wanted 2 on 1's, or 3 on 3's, I would play IL2 in a smaller arena.

The problem with side balancing is always going to be there without an auto balance. The only answer to that is locking a side up for new players to come into it when it has a certain percentage over the lowest side, forcing the players to play for another "chess piece". (I hear the, "I pay to play, and I can play where I want!" whines coming!)

But that was a little offtrack from my main point.

Now instead of having one large arena with huge furballs, and options on where to go play, there are the same size maps, with the same imbalance, with the not so epic battle going on in land, sea, and air. (Yes, there are boats and tanks in this game, and they are not going anywhere)

Before, if you wanted to get away from the Horde, you would just go somewhere else. I normally didn't have a hard time finding a small fight if I didn't feel like playing alt monkey over a 75 plane fight just so stay alive the longest, only to wind up on the bottom after 7 or 8 kills, out of ammo, and heading home with somebody chasing me with a 10k alt advantage. They are mostly small fights it appears, without the option to go escort bombers, knock the crap outta bases with 20 of my squaddiesin planes and tanks to face huge opposition, or go pick a small fight with a couple other airplanes in a hordeless corner of the arena.

I'm curious as to how the health of the game population is doing, and if there have been more paying players since the change, or less. If there are more players now than before, then I am in the minority. If less, then maybe some change should occur from a business standpoint. The allure of the game is dead for me, because now it's a box game, and not a massive online experience.

Now there is a small MA, with several Combat Theatres of old.

S! and let's see how things play out in the long run!

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« Reply #43 on: November 04, 2006, 09:51:12 AM »
before we had one arena with three sides and no real place for anything but about 5% of the plane set to be competitive  If you liked early war planes, you were SOL for the most part...

... in this arena it mattered not what the numbers were because everyone was in a whorde and milkrunning in a huge circle jerk of hiding from each other...  if you stayed on for an hour or two you might find a fight had broken out on some little corner of the map but...

It the "strat" girls who "love good gameplay' found it... they would shut it down a soon as possible.

Now... we have 4 arenas with 12 choices of what side to be on depending...  we have twelve choices of country and style and within those choices... usually at least 2 or 3 places in each to take off and find a good fight.  and.. it will only get better as those who came here with the whorde mentality leave.

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« Reply #44 on: November 04, 2006, 10:03:34 AM »
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The main thing that attracted me to this game was the Massive Online format. HUGE numbers of planes in battle all at once, and they were all PEOPLE. If I wanted 2 on 1's, or 3 on 3's, I would play IL2 in a smaller arena.

The problem with side balancing is always going to be there without an auto balance. The only answer to that is locking a side up for new players to come into it when it has a certain percentage over the lowest side, forcing the players to play for another "chess piece". (I hear the, "I pay to play, and I can play where I want!" whines coming!)

But that was a little offtrack from my main point.

Now instead of having one large arena with huge furballs, and options on where to go play, there are the same size maps, with the same imbalance, with the not so epic battle going on in land, sea, and air. (Yes, there are boats and tanks in this game, and they are not going anywhere)

Before, if you wanted to get away from the Horde, you would just go somewhere else. I normally didn't have a hard time finding a small fight if I didn't feel like playing alt monkey over a 75 plane fight just so stay alive the longest, only to wind up on the bottom after 7 or 8 kills, out of ammo, and heading home with somebody chasing me with a 10k alt advantage. They are mostly small fights it appears, without the option to go escort bombers, knock the crap outta bases with 20 of my squaddiesin planes and tanks to face huge opposition, or go pick a small fight with a couple other airplanes in a hordeless corner of the arena.

I'm curious as to how the health of the game population is doing, and if there have been more paying players since the change, or less. If there are more players now than before, then I am in the minority. If less, then maybe some change should occur from a business standpoint. The allure of the game is dead for me, because now it's a box game, and not a massive online experience.

Now there is a small MA, with several Combat Theatres of old.

S! and let's see how things play out in the long run!



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