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Offline Gunslinger

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The Army's boot camp is now easier than the Air Force's
« on: November 05, 2006, 10:26:10 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv84yS_RaQM

I couldn't beleive this when I heard it, then I saw the news report.  

Wow

just

wow!

Offline DiabloTX

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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2006, 10:32:00 PM »
Been going softer for decades.  When I went to bootcamp Navy in '86 the CC's couldn't curse at us, only yell.  No hands on either.  My dad thought that was completely :rolleyes:  because of what he went through in '51.  But, it IS the Army.
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2006, 10:34:51 PM »
I think the old veteran summed it up pretty good...

Having it stressful and hard makes completing boot camp an accomplishment.

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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2006, 10:39:05 PM »
I disagree.  I think you should be able to question orders but only as a way for checks and balances.  By that I mean the OIC or senior enlisted has the ability to discern lawful from unlawful orders.

Stress should be the focus at bootcamp IMHO.  Weed out those that can't take simple stress at the beginning is the main point of bootcamp to me.  It's just basic training.  The hardcore stuff comes later.
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2006, 10:43:17 PM »
Let me say this: I do disagree with how soft it is now, the cell phone thing and the non-yelling at recruits.  But for the most part I don't think it's a big deal.
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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2006, 10:45:37 PM »
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I disagree.  I think you should be able to question orders but only as a way for checks and balances.  By that I mean the OIC or senior enlisted has the ability to discern lawful from unlawful orders.

Stress should be the focus at bootcamp IMHO.  Weed out those that can't take simple stress at the beginning is the main point of bootcamp to me.  It's just basic training.  The hardcore stuff comes later.


You are right,  and part of the stress we put on new recruits is the yelling.  If they can't handle being yelled at and being stressed out then how they hell are they going to react under fire?

I had a kid litterally fall over and curl up in the fetal position because I yelled at him once.  He couldn't do anything right.  He did nothing but drink mountain dew, eat doritos and play everquest all day long as a civilian.  He couldn't handle the very minimal amount of stress I applied to him at all and broke very easily.  

I also couldn't beleive the thing about cell phones.  They are a HUGE discration.  Calls home should be earned and not freely given out.  Otherwise you will have that 10% that do nothing but talk on the phone all night instead of shining their boots or taking care of their areas/details.

8 hours of sleep, all you can eat chow hall.....Like the title says the Air Force Basic Training is now harder than the Army's

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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2006, 10:50:45 PM »
I'll go with the old guy.


   When I say jump, you say how high. Not when I say jump you say now?

    Cell phones in basic? I was AirForce and we had an easy boot back in the 80s I thought. I'd be embarrassed. May as well start a draft, if they are keeping dregs now.

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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2006, 10:52:52 PM »
We had one of those in our company.  We called them "bugs".  The sad thing is this guy really wanted to be a sailor, and he tried his heart out.  He just had no ability to do the things required to make it through bootcamp.  I've never seen someone want something so bad, try so damn hard, and fall on his face everytime.  We'd give him EMI to compensate for his short-comings but he could never get it right.  I never found out if he graduated boot or not.  Probably weeded out in the end which was the right thing to do.
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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2006, 11:29:34 PM »
I think bootcamp has it backwards.  Psychological stress should be applied gradually and increasingly.  Instead of being harder at the beginning stage of Boot, it should be hardest at the end.  This is because the mind adapts to stress in a similar fashion to the body.

But I guess it all depends on what the real purpose of Boot is.  If its to weed out individuals succeptable to stress, leave it as it is.  If its to turn civilians into soldiers (granted, some people make much worse soldiers than others), then do it the new cellphone/8hrs sleep/buffet/ way.

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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2006, 11:31:50 PM »
Cell phones in Boot? What kind of candyarsed Gomer Pyle factory are they running? Do they even make them do pushup's anymore or is that too ******* hard?
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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2006, 11:41:19 PM »
cell phones in boot wtf?

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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2006, 11:45:44 PM »
I guess this kind of 'lessons' are a no no in america. :D

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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2006, 11:48:19 PM »
I hope everyone understands we are bashing the troops in this thread.:huh
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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2006, 11:49:51 PM »
See Rule #17
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« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2006, 11:51:06 PM »
Now if only they could make combat nice, soft and politically correct as well.......