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Offline straffo

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« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2006, 05:15:32 AM »
Golfer you mean boeing trashed/burned/destroyed all the work made for the concurent of the galaxy before studying the 747 ?

tss tss...
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« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2006, 05:20:23 AM »
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Yea, but does the onboard refrigeration unit keep the ice from melting?













Sorry Angus. I just had to.


Hehe, well youo know it's cold up there ;)
Many windows on that Airbus to have a spectacular view off melting Glaciers :D
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It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2006, 05:24:04 AM »
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Golfer you mean boeing trashed/burned/destroyed all the work made for the concurent of the galaxy before studying the 747 ?

tss tss...


Yes indeed. None of the things the military division of Boeing figures out gets to the civilian part of Boeing. ;)
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« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2006, 06:07:34 AM »
Pilot has skills !
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« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2006, 08:41:33 AM »
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Golfer you mean boeing trashed/burned/destroyed all the work made for the concurent of the galaxy before studying the 747 ?

tss tss...


Yes clearly that's exactly what I said. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2006, 02:39:18 PM »
Xwind landing wiith Xwind gear isnt teh 1337 sk!11z, it is teh 3ngin33ring....
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« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2006, 03:04:03 PM »
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And that is to rebute...what?

Or were you trying to say exactly what I said?  Juan Trippe (PanAm) wanted a big airplane.  Boeing built it.

That's what I said...that's what you said????

If you're trying to say that Boeing started its research on large aircraft while bidding on (and losing?) a contract then say it.  That airplane was not a 747.  The 747 was from day one to be a pax airplane with cargo versions added later.


Ahh...wikipedia.  Where those without their own knowledge go to get someone elses.

Read what you quoted.


Its not hard to find more information that says the same, wikipedia or not.

The fact is saying that the 747 was a purely commercial development with no money from the US Govt or military involved in the project is somewhat of a leap in truth.

I don't think its a bad thing, I just get tired of the anti-airbus crowd who seem to think the US is some wonderful pure capatilist system, when in fact its about as protectionist as the EU if not more. Your tax dollars support many corporate ventures and businesses which cannot stand on their own, so don't get all high and mighty about airbus.


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Even after 28 years, more than 40 billion flight kilometers and approximately two billion passengers, the Boeing 747 is still the undisputed leader of the world's airliner fleet. 20 versions of the Jumbo-Jet were built over the years. There is a difference of up to 200 seats and up to 75 tons of weight between the first model, the -100, and the most current and biggest version, the 747-400.

Originally, everything was planned differently: In the beginning of 1964, the US Air Force had called for tenders for the development of a new heavy military transport aircraft. The three big US aircraft manufacturers, Boeing, Lockheed and McDonnell Douglas, were competing for the contract. Pratt & Whitney and General Electric were competing for the aircraft engines. GE won in 1965, getting the contract for the development of the TF39 turbofan, the first high-bypass engine for large-capacity aircraft. Later in the same year, the C5A transporter program was won by Lockheed. Boeing and Douglas lost. It was later speculated that, although Boeing had offered the better concept, the decision for Lockheed's version was made based on the lower price.

While Boeing was certainly disappointed by the news, it had a back-up option at hand. Parallel to the military contract activities, the manufacturer had conducted an analysis of the civil market development. The aircraft manufacturer from Seattle "suspected" that, by the beginning of the seventies, the airlines would need an aircraft which could cope with the forecasted capacity problems.

On the evening of the Galaxy decision, Boeing ordered one of its most experienced engineers, Joseph F. Sutter, back from his vacation. Another 100 engineers joined the team in the next few days, working on not less than 50 design options in the following months. The final design of the 747 was chosen based on the requirement for a high capacity, both for passenger seats and for freight.

In December of 1965, Boeing President William Allen and Juan Trippe, head of Pan American World Airways, met to discuss Boeing's plans concerning the new airliner. As one of the largest airlines at this period in time, Pan Am's opinion had a major impact on the design requirements for a new long-range jet. Although details about the conversation were never revealed, the talk supposedly went like this: Trippe: "If you build it, I buy it." Allen: "If you buy it, I build it."

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« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2006, 03:44:13 PM »
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Yes clearly that's exactly what I said. :rolleyes:


You believe in faery tales too ?
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« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2006, 05:09:29 PM »
AAhhh, mon dieu.
It is Fairy, not Faery.
And it's a word with a double meaning, comprend?

Anyway, as a sidenote, the hull structure AFAIK is the one of "8" like the hulls of the first really "modern" submarines, which were the late German ones. And it is a brilliant concept, just yet not used in the aircraft industry.
Then the wings are....BigBIGBIGG. Is there any aircraft with that powerful wings and thereby spars????????

All US-EURO things set aside, I always like things that just turn out good, and I hope this one will!
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It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2006, 07:25:46 PM »
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Boeing and Douglas lost.


Apparently losing a government contract is a subsidy.
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« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2006, 07:37:20 PM »
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Apparently losing a government contract is a subsidy.


:lol


But....but....they got ideas for the 747 because they tried to bid on a government contract. :lol
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« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2006, 07:40:48 PM »
Wow!  I'm impressed...the rudder didn't come off. :D
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« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2006, 11:44:53 PM »
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AAhhh, mon dieu.
It is Fairy, not Faery.
And it's a word with a double meaning, comprend?
 


No , I don't see the double entendre ::)
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« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2006, 12:18:23 AM »
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AAhhh, mon dieu.
It is Fairy, not Faery.
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fairey
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« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2006, 08:47:56 AM »
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Apparently losing a government contract is a subsidy.
According to Vulcan it is!:rofl :rofl :rofl
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