Author Topic: why spit14 is perked and not 16 (Read 3577 times)

Latrobe · « **on:** November 22, 2006, 04:36:37 PM »

This is why I think the Spit 14 is perked and not the Spit 16

The Spit 16 is more maneuverable than the Spit 14, but the Spit 14 is faster, has longer range with 3 fuel tanks to the 16s 1, can take more damadge, accelerates better, and has a longer WEP time.

The Spit 14 (being a larger plane) would be easier to hit and at low alt turns and rolls fairly well. At Mid alts it turns better and rolls OK, but at high alts it cant turn to well and rolls fairly well

The Spit 16 (being smaller) is harder to hit and at low alts turns and rolls great, Mid alts turns a bit worse but is still goos while it rolls better, at high alts it turns just as good as mid and rolls the same

putting these 2 planes in a dog fight a Spit 16 would come out victorious 9 out of 10 times but just because its more maneuverable. If the Spit 14 pilot can keep him going just long enough he could get on his 6 using its speed and better acceleration or the spit 16 would run out of fuel

the spit 16 isnt perked because it only beats the Spit 14 in the maneuverability catgory while the Spit 14 beats the 16 in all other catagories...but that is just my opinion

evenhaim · « **Reply #1 on:** November 22, 2006, 05:30:56 PM »

interesting i pretty much agree

Stang · « **Reply #2 on:** November 22, 2006, 06:02:47 PM »

The Spit XIV should beat the Spit XVI in a duel every time.

LYNX · « **Reply #3 on:** November 22, 2006, 06:24:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Stang
The Spit XIV should beat the Spit XVI in a duel every time.

And my bollocks should fire on both......."oh never mind".

Spit 14 is great over 23 k spit 16 is great under

icemaw · « **Reply #4 on:** November 22, 2006, 06:40:35 PM »

they still taste like chicken

Stang · « **Reply #5 on:** November 22, 2006, 07:37:22 PM »

Where's Widewing when I need him...

killnu · « **Reply #6 on:** November 22, 2006, 08:44:01 PM »

spit14 does just fine 5k and under. not sure why more people dont fly it. i had some fun little fights with spit8/9/16, nikis and la7s down there in it. im sure pilot skill plays big part, but nonetheless...good ride.

palef · « **Reply #7 on:** November 22, 2006, 08:45:43 PM »

A spit XVI is just a late model IX with a Packard built Merlin and the low altitude wing.

It's not a perk aircraft. It doesn't climb anything like as good as a XIV.

Put the XVI up against this and it's doomed. LF XIVE

Ball · « **Reply #8 on:** November 23, 2006, 02:09:37 AM »

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Originally posted by palef
Put the XVI up against this and it's doomed. LF XIVE

now that just wouldn't be fair..

Karnak · « **Reply #9 on:** November 23, 2006, 03:27:28 AM »

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Originally posted by palef
Put the XVI up against this and it's doomed. LF XIVE

No such animal as a Spitfire LF.Mk XIVe.

That is a Spitfire FR.Mk XIVe.

The engine is what determines if it is an "LF" "F" or "HF", not the wings. All Spitfire Mk XIV's had the same Griffon 65 optimized for altitudes above 20,000ft.

Kev367th · « **Reply #10 on:** November 23, 2006, 06:33:31 AM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
No such animal as a Spitfire LF.Mk XIVe.

That is a Spitfire FR.Mk XIVe.

The engine is what determines if it is an "LF" "F" or "HF", not the wings. All Spitfire Mk XIV's had the same Griffon 65 optimized for altitudes above 20,000ft.

Correct.
Reason is not what you would expect.

All FR XIV's had clipped wings, so coupled with the Griffon it doesn't seem right.
Clipped wings work better at lower alts, Griffon 65 was for high alts.

Reason -
Without clipping the wing all the extra weight from the camera equipment was causing the wing roots to ripple.

Max · « **Reply #11 on:** November 23, 2006, 07:34:45 AM »

Now try saying "wing roots to ripple" 10X real fast

Widewing · « **Reply #12 on:** November 23, 2006, 09:51:59 AM »

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Originally posted by Stang
Where's Widewing when I need him...

Down low, the Spitfire Mk.XIV (14) accelerates a tiny bit faster than the Spitfire Mk.XVI (16) up to 250 mph and gains a bigger advantage as speed increases. Climb rate to 8,000 feet is virtually identical. At medium altitudes, the Spit16 outclimbs the Spit14 (between 12k and 19k)

Acceleration at higher speeds favors the Spit14. It's also faster at all altitudes.

Turn radius measurement shows that the Spit16's turn radius is about 50 feet smaller than that of the Spit14. Rate of roll goes to the Spit16 by a large margin.

I think that the Spit16 is the superior dogfighter at low to medium altitudes.

That said, the Spit14 is still a very able fighter, even down low.

My regards,

Widewing

Ball · « **Reply #13 on:** November 23, 2006, 04:29:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Widewing
Turn radius measurement shows that the Spit16's turn radius is about 50 feet smaller than that of the Spit14. Rate of roll goes to the Spit16 by a large margin.

always found that strange in AH. from the flight test reports i have read, apparently the turning radius was identical for the 14 to the 9.

SpiveyCH · « **Reply #14 on:** November 23, 2006, 07:12:51 PM »

XIV--First with two-stage Griffon, 2050hp Mk 65 with deep symmetric radiators and five-blade propeller, completely redesigned airframe with new fuselage, broad fin/rudder, inboard ailerons, retractable tailwheel. F.XIV, two 20mm and four 0-303; F.XIVE, two 20mm and two 0-5in; FR.XIVE, same guns, cut-down rear fuselage and teardrop hood, clipped wings, F.24 camera and extra fuel. Active in 1944, destroyed over 300 flying bombs. Production: 957.

XVI--As Mk IX but 1,705hp Packard Merlin 266; LF.IXE, E-guns and clipped, many with teardrop hood, extra fuel. Production: 1,054.