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« Reply #135 on: December 09, 2006, 10:39:52 AM »
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... the land Israel is founded on was taken from Palestinians in the late 40's...



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« Reply #136 on: December 09, 2006, 10:40:36 AM »
Oy vey!

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« Reply #137 on: December 09, 2006, 12:08:40 PM »
"news" from Iraq is the "news" the media wants you to hear.

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« Reply #138 on: December 09, 2006, 12:47:24 PM »
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well nashwan.. we may not be able to give them freedom but we certainly can take their military back to the stone age with little effort.


Which accomplishes what?

What's the point of destroying the Iranian army? It hasn't been used against us, or against Iran's neighbours. It's no threat to us.

The potential threat from Iran is terrorism and nuclear weapons. You can't force them to stop supporting terrorism without an occupation, and you can't stop them developing nuclear weapons without an occupation.

And an occupation of Iran is out of the question for the foreseeable future.

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« Reply #139 on: December 09, 2006, 12:49:41 PM »
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"news" from Iraq is the "news" the media wants you to hear.



Spot on.

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« Reply #140 on: December 09, 2006, 01:04:19 PM »
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Which accomplishes what?

What's the point of destroying the Iranian army? It hasn't been used against us, or against Iran's neighbours. It's no threat to us.

The potential threat from Iran is terrorism and nuclear weapons. You can't force them to stop supporting terrorism without an occupation, and you can't stop them developing nuclear weapons without an occupation.

And an occupation of Iran is out of the question for the foreseeable future.


The point is that it threatens those in power. Throwing rocks at a bear might get ya eaten.

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« Reply #141 on: December 09, 2006, 01:08:39 PM »
evenhaim,

Tell me that you grandma was not home...  How many died in that hit?

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« Reply #142 on: December 09, 2006, 07:49:33 PM »
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Viking, there's no need to insult all of us just to try to yank one guy's chain. You aren't going to change his mind, anyway.


I've been away on business this week, so I'm sorry for this late reply. You're right of course and I apologize if I've offended you. I should have just dodged Lazs' bait and switch, but I guess I was a bit more drunk that evening than I realized.

My argument stands however; like with the Soviets in Afghanistan, your war is showing just how impotent your mighty army in this situation. A situation it was never intended to face, and is struggling to adapt to.

I am sorry for the way I presented my argument though.

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« Reply #143 on: December 10, 2006, 07:23:45 AM »
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The U.S. could take on Iran and the insurgents in iraq with not much more effort that iran itself.
 

The US could - but it will not.
There's no way that any US president open a new military campaign against Iran now. Therefore american threats are empty and Iran is safer than ever. With the US out of the picture as a real threat, who will oppose Iran by force? Europe? HAHA.

The UN and international comunity are a bunch of bananas and interesants. By the time the decide to act if at all, Iran (just like N. Korea) will already have nuclear weapons. When they do, they are insured against military campaign on their ground.

I find the hopes, expressed by many, that Israel will do you a favour and attack Iran pathetic. On the other hand I will not be suprised if it comes to this by the inability to act. This would be a perfect solution - Israel will do the dirty work and euros can still be saints and condon the violence.
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« Reply #144 on: December 10, 2006, 10:33:12 AM »
nashwan... you said...

"Basically, they were frightened of a US attack. They aren't anymore, because they know there's no way the US can invade now with the way things have gone in Iraq."

That is why I said we could bomb em back to the stone age militarily... you were simply wrong.  you know nothing about what they think.. you are the one who thinks there is no way the US can invade.

viking..  no need to plea drunk... all being drunk does is take let the mean streak show itself for what it is... I like that better than you current dancing around and pretending..   face it... you are angry that your country is so impotent and so you lash out at any country that has any real power and does the things you should do.  

I understand that so, in that light.... your feeble attacks on the U.S. are pretty meaningless and amusing to me.

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« Reply #145 on: December 10, 2006, 10:38:55 AM »
bozon... you sound bitter.   When has the U.S let you down?   You seem to have a pretty good handle on the your-0-peeeans and the corrupt UN but I think you underestimate us.    No problem... most people seem to do that...some of em are even US citizens.

We haven't turned into your-0-peean socialists just yet bozon... I have faith still that the American citizen is very interested in justice and freedom.  Heck.. even the democrat women are willing to go into a just war... so long as it is their idea.

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« Reply #146 on: December 10, 2006, 10:39:39 AM »
i stopped fearing vikings after a bunch of English farmers defeated them at stamford bridge in 1099.

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« Reply #147 on: December 10, 2006, 11:04:41 AM »
Stamford Bridge - 1066 just two weeks before Harold (the victor over the vikings at Stamford) was defeated by the Norman William the Conquerer.

Norman...  Normandy was a fifdom created by Rollo the Viking, who's grandson was William...  The Viking who at Hastings defeated the Engish king who defeated the vikings at Stamford.
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« Reply #148 on: December 10, 2006, 11:37:21 AM »
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That is why I said we could bomb em back to the stone age militarily... you were simply wrong.


No, lazs. I said america can defeat their military. I said it won't gain you anything, and it won't. It will strengthen the hardliners grip on power, cause a huge recession in the west, and the Iranians will develop nuclear weapons anyway.

In short, you gain nothing, and lose a lot.

Of course, if all you want is bragging rights, then a war makes sense. If you want to improve america's position, it's a stupid idea.

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you know nothing about what they think.


Has Iran been trying to placate america? No. Their president has been threatening to "wipe Israel off the map". Does this sound like a country frightened of america?

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you are the one who thinks there is no way the US can invade.


You seriously believe the US is capable of invading Iran now? Iran has three times the population of Iraq, and 4 times the area. And they are likely to put up more of a fight.

The argument in the US has progressed to how to pull out and save face, even president Bush has backed off from talking of an attack on Iran.

Read what bozon said:

"There's no way that any US president open a new military campaign against Iran now. Therefore american threats are empty and Iran is safer than ever."

It's true.

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« Reply #149 on: December 10, 2006, 11:40:28 AM »
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Norman...  Normandy was a fifdom created by Rollo the Viking, who's grandson was William...  The Viking who at Hastings defeated the Engish king who defeated the vikings at Stamford.


you missed some generations and some french blood mixed in there.

rollo--->william longsword-->richard I-->richard II--->robert--->william