Author Topic: A P38G driver's favorite place to be.... (Read 2241 times)

Guppy35 · « **on:** December 19, 2006, 12:57:59 AM »

Forcing the overshoot and rolling in behind em down low

Yeah I'm a bit goofy for the 38G. The Spit 16 died too:t

EagleEyes · « **Reply #1 on:** December 19, 2006, 01:54:04 AM »

i could make so many comments, none of which are bad. But i know youd kick my butt anyday in the DA or MA. So im just gonna tuck my tail between my legs and well, run like a scared kitty!!!

Benny Moore · « **Reply #2 on:** December 19, 2006, 01:56:28 AM »

Hey Guppy, come visit me in my server, please?

SteveBailey · « **Reply #3 on:** December 19, 2006, 02:00:37 AM »

I'm no spit expert but it seems to me he should be breaking left and down(unless his E state was signifcantly greater than yours) instead of right and up.* At the very least .. left and up.. not right. Looks like he plays in quickly to your gun solution... at the very least he's saddled.
Forgive me if you disagree... I could be off base as I don't fly the 38 much.. love the plane tho.

*based on the position/direction of your nose.

*sigh* I miss Minnesota.(displaced Edina boy in AZ)

Masherbrum · « **Reply #4 on:** December 19, 2006, 02:09:16 AM »

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
I'm no spit expert but it seems to me he should be breaking left and down(unless his E state was signifcantly greater than yours) instead of right and up.* At the very least .. left and up.. not right. Looks like he plays in quickly to your gun solution... at the very least he's saddled.
Forgive me if you disagree... I could be off base as I don't fly the 38 much.. love the plane tho.

*based on the position/direction of your nose.

*sigh* I miss Minnesota.(displaced Edina boy in AZ)

Or the Spit could have started a loop, which would have given the Spit more options.

SteveBailey · « **Reply #5 on:** December 19, 2006, 02:18:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Or the Spit could have started a loop, which would have given the Spit more options.

Ya... just about anything but a right break w/ nose up. lol

Schatzi · « **Reply #6 on:** December 19, 2006, 03:13:45 AM »

Yep.

Even right down couldve worked. Guppy wouldve been then forced to dive inverted for the shot (no time for a 38 to roll), its too low for SplitS.

Tilt · « **Reply #7 on:** December 19, 2006, 04:51:44 AM »

My La7 would have broke to try force you to turn and roll ie which ever manouvre sucks more of your e to gain angle.

I assume you are rolling clock wise and applying some right rudder......

Hence my departure would have been left to your initial right roll/break turn, some times rolling clock wise 270 from the snapshot (as I may have ruddered in to get the lead angle on the shot) which will put me nose down mid roll but with a departure angle and e to go vert.

I would not have attempted the snap shot unless I had "exit e" to get me safely vertical. In this situation I would hope to force the stall fighter into the break and then just refused the snap shot holding all my e for a better advantage next pass.

I try to preserve max e on both of the first two passes..... basically I want the stall fighter to sacrifice his e to a point where I see him making e recovery manouvres after a pass.

The Fugitive · « **Reply #8 on:** December 19, 2006, 06:27:02 AM »

Its OK Tilt, we all know it was you in the spit and your just tying to cover yer butt

Hey Dan, made a mistake in my G last night. Did you know that that think will climb over 10K !!!:O

jon · « **Reply #9 on:** December 19, 2006, 06:30:39 AM »

That 38 has too many parts who was the real pilot?

Skuzzy · « **Reply #10 on:** December 19, 2006, 06:49:55 AM »

When I read the title, and saw who started the thread, I figured there would be a screenshot of either the plane on the runway, or from the tower, or in a bar.

But, it looks like it is a picture of another P38 pilot, Guppy took, while falling to the ground in his chute.

Tilt · « **Reply #11 on:** December 19, 2006, 07:55:47 AM »

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Originally posted by The Fugitive
Its OK Tilt, we all know it was you in the spit and your just tying to cover yer butt

Hey Dan, made a mistake in my G last night. Did you know that that think will climb over 10K !!!:O

Never had the pleasure of the dance with dan/corky..........we never seem to meet in the arena for some reason.................

Last time was in an AW scenario called Korea when I seem to remember my Mig being chased halfway across a map by three +Nomad Sabres intent on revenge.................. seem to remember they got it too...

always supposed +dan was one of them

humble · « **Reply #12 on:** December 19, 2006, 09:08:28 AM »

Just guessing here....

But looking at the still shot this is basically some type of a rolling scissor. Guppy's in lag with a pretty nice angle off the tail. I'd guess he's rolling plane counterclockwise {if he's rolling clockwise only god saved him:)}to keep views and vector where he wants them. His lift vector will move faster then the spit can turn and will be well in front of anything the spit does. If the spit goes up its dead. If the spit goes right its dead. If the spit goes neg G its dead. Best bet {IMO} is to roll left or "tuck under" by continuing the clockwise roll and into a nose low left hander. That puts guppy in perfect position but gives the spit best possibility for an overshoot....basically your continuing a rolling scissor and coverting it to a flat scissor to use guppys slower roll against him. The angles off give the 38 the up down and right (IMO)....go left young spitty and die a few seconds later....or get lucky and survive the crossing shot you give or your reverse.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 19, 2006, 09:44:24 AM »

Actually it's towards the end of a 5 minute fight that started with the Spit bouncing me at 10K and ended on the deck. Since you guys were actually trying to figure it out, I went back and looked again

I've slowed it to 146 and he's at 150 and finally I've gotten him out front after a long rolling scissors. He never got enough deflection prior to this to get a shot off to hit me. I got him on a snapshot as he broke hard in front of me to try and throw me back out front.

It was a nail biter, and one of those fights that keeps me coming back hoping for another one.

And yeah it's out of the norm cause I'd usually be falling in pieces

DEMONSLAYER · « **Reply #14 on:** December 19, 2006, 09:53:03 AM »

pretty sad on the spits part lol. going left he would have been dead. the only solution for this guy was to pull strait up and do a loop/ horseshoe stall. right over guppy's slow p38g that's what i would have done. or i would have ropped him from that position. guppy would have never been able to follow. but hey that's just me.