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Offline DREDger

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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2007, 11:29:38 AM »
There were that many citizens who were needlessly killed at waco by government forces including more than 26 children.

As if the branch Davidians have no culpability in chosing to fight and ignite their gas bombs.  Yes I really want to have some cult hording military hardware following some charismatic nut.   How long before the nut decides holding up in the compound is not enuf and goes on the offensive.
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« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2007, 11:38:17 AM »
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There were that many citizens who were needlessly killed at waco by government forces including more than 26 children.

As if the branch Davidians have no culpability in chosing to fight and ignite their gas bombs.  Yes I really want to have some cult hording military hardware following some charismatic nut.   How long before the nut decides holding up in the compound is not enuf and goes on the offensive.


Let's have some storm troopers try to assault your house after you have done nothing.  Would you bend over for them?  Or would you also lube up?
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« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2007, 12:43:42 PM »
Let's have some storm troopers try to assault your house after you have done nothing

What a revisionist historian viewpoint...and total crap as well.

First off, no I would not fight against law enforcement who had a legal  search and arrest warrant.  I would avail myself of legal representation and the press.  What else would you expect a sane person to do?  Fight the entire USA, subject my family to hail of bullets....ludicrous.

Secondly, when you say 'had done nuttin wrong', how about you consider child molesting, running a drug lab and also converting firearms to fully automatic weapons.

Look, no doubt the ATF botched the job, hell even a congressional panel says that.  From what I understand the Koresh guy even did his shopping in town, they could of picked him up there.

Lets not though, attribute or equate this cult to some 'patriotic just minding our own business folks'.  This guy was a nut, so were his followers, so was Timmothy McVey who vaporized good people in the name of patriotism.  

Last thing I want is guys like that arming for WW3 an hour away from my house.

Get a clue.
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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2007, 12:54:18 PM »
The FBI admitted lying about child abuse so that they could get janet reno to ok the use of gas.

Having fully automatic weapons isn't against the law, and it should be a right.

A drug lab? that's the first I've heard about that.

I have no sympathy for pigs that enforce immoral mandates and laws.
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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2007, 12:57:29 PM »
Cult is justs another word for religion to me. As long as religious wackos aren't cramping anybody elses style they're free to be as stupid and armed as they want to be, this is america.
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« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2007, 01:02:07 PM »
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Let's have some storm troopers try to assault your house after you have done nothing

What a revisionist historian viewpoint...and total crap as well.

First off, no I would not fight against law enforcement who had a legal  search and arrest warrant.  I would avail myself of legal representation and the press.  What else would you expect a sane person to do?  Fight the entire USA, subject my family to hail of bullets....ludicrous.

Secondly, when you say 'had done nuttin wrong', how about you consider child molesting, running a drug lab and also converting firearms to fully automatic weapons.

Look, no doubt the ATF botched the job, hell even a congressional panel says that.  From what I understand the Koresh guy even did his shopping in town, they could of picked him up there.

Lets not though, attribute or equate this cult to some 'patriotic just minding our own business folks'.  This guy was a nut, so were his followers, so was Timmothy McVey who vaporized good people in the name of patriotism.  

Last thing I want is guys like that arming for WW3 an hour away from my house.

Get a clue.
ya well except none of that was going on.  the guy was a nutcase but being a nutcase isn't illegal.  what the clinton administration did on the other hand was.
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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2007, 01:06:55 PM »
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Last thing I want is guys like that arming for WW3 an hour away from my house.

Get a clue.


Translation: I'm fine with stripping away other's basic human rights if it helps me sleep at night. Afterall it's the governments job to prepare for wwIII, not mine and yours. Everyone should default his personal protection unto our parents, I mean leaders
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« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2007, 01:24:48 PM »
I have no sympathy for pigs that enforce immoral mandates and laws

lol, sounds like you were freeze dried in the 60's and just got thawed out.  You forgot to say 'honkie pigs'

What immoral mandates are you talking about?  You think we live in such a totalitarian society here?  rediculous.

As far a stripping basic human rights?  Thats more like right to live, food, medical attention, that sort of thing.  Having automatic weapons...well..not so much.

And yes, I do consider it the governments responsibility to prepare for war, thats what a pay taxes for, that and keeping order and a police force to protect me against criminals.  I do own firearms, better shot than most.  I don't need a fully auto AK-47 to protect my property.  BTW, fully auto weopons against the law, you don't like, move to Saudi Arabia or write your congressman to change the law...good luck with that.

Pull the tinfoil off our head.
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« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2007, 01:30:43 PM »
You live in texas like I do. Fully automatic weapons as well as sound suppressors are perfectly legal after you pay a little bit of government enforced extortion. We're a lot like russia in that way.
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« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2007, 01:44:13 PM »
Law enforcement comes to your house with a search warrant or an arrest warrant, you surrender, simple as that.  Your not going to win armed conflict against law enforcement, u'll just get yourself and yours killed or hurt, what is the wisdom in that.

You go to court and get a jury of your peers to decide, you use the press to draw attention to your situation if you're being oppressed.  We don't live in North Korea where they send you and your family to concentration camps.  Our system works, not perfect, but what are the alternatives.

We're alot like russia that way?  Whatever, not sure if you mean that is good or bad.  The Swiss are all issued fully auto weapons, works for them.  English, nope, firearms not allowed for the most part.
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« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2007, 02:22:40 PM »
Ok, now your argument is starting a lot to sound like. "Yeah it's unjust, but whatya gonna do?, just fight them in the appropriate channels."

Yeah, a jury of my peers...we'd need a time travel machine for that. Back to a time when most people didn't have bastard children and an exagerated sense of entitlement



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Our system works, not perfect, but what are the alternatives.
First it doesn't work. Unless you're someone who is comfortable living on your knees and defering all sense of responsibility onto a parental government. As for an alternative, how about the constitution?
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« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2007, 02:45:34 PM »
I think we might be hijacking this thread, but if nobody cares I'm ok with the subject.

Ok, now your argument is starting a lot to sound like. "Yeah it's unjust, but whatya gonna do?,

Nope, afraid it doesn't sound at all like that.  Maybe it does to you, but I'm beggining to wonder if I'm writing back and forth to someone missing a few marbles.

Unjust system?  People with sense of entitlement?  Time machine (I guess ur something special then)?  Living on your knees and controlling governement?

I hardly know where to begin, suffice to say I shouldn't even bother.  Certainly has all the undertones of the doom and gloom, conspiracy theory rejectionist.

Guess it's a matter of perception.  I can't speak for what you have seen in your life.  Mine has been opportunity, hard work and reward.  I view law as protection from anarchy and thuggery, I see our country and system as fair and equitable.  I thank god that I was lucky enough to be born here instead of say N Korea or Darfur.

Why is do you suppose people from all over the world want to come here?  How is if our system is so moraly corrupt and reprehensible that we have contributed so much to humanity in terms of science, medicine, literature, art, law...the list goes on.

kookoo, kookoo...
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« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2007, 03:00:53 PM »
Which is more important for you? Pride or learning? You've typed a lot to help rationalize your position of supporting a government agency that lied so that it could use violence againts it's supposed bosses. Thank you for providing a blackboard.

BTW, in your attempted ad hominem you mispelled cuckoo.
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« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2007, 03:11:07 PM »
Yeah, a jury of my peers...we'd need a time travel machine for that. Back to a time when most people didn't have bastard children and an exagerated sense of entitlement

yeah, and how many did your hero Koresh father?
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« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2007, 03:11:40 PM »
WOOOTTTTT

A whirling Texas purse fight.  Be careful boys those are huge frikken Texan purses you are slinging about.

lol
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