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Offline Kieran

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« Reply #60 on: February 12, 2007, 06:48:32 PM »
Charon, your argument would carry weight if the Amish shooting was the only shooting in the last 10 years- and that's not even close to true. Google it. You'll find a dozen or so in nothing flat. There's a striking similarity to most of them, too... lax control on weapons makes them accessible to people who shouldn't have them.

Heck... let me Google that for ya...

Timeline of school shootings worldwide

Now cull through there and see how many events there have been. Total the number of people killed. Wow. Nearly 70 people killed in American schools since 1996.

Is that a small enough price to pay for your freedom? Wanna sacrifice your kid so others can keep their guns? I don't.

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« Reply #61 on: February 12, 2007, 06:49:40 PM »
i don't want to arm everyone, you for example should never have a gun.

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« Reply #62 on: February 12, 2007, 07:21:43 PM »
Sigh, it is the story that will not die...
OK, here we go...
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I read the article you posted, I read the article online the day it was printed.

lol, you go to boston.com everyday?
No, I read Google News everyday.

BPD has'nt even accused them of calling in a bomb threat, only placing the devices.

No, they say the evidence "proves intent to cause panic" , that's a crime.
You keep dancing around the fact you said they called in a threat and went to see the reaction. So far YOU are the only one saying that. Get yer story straight. Were they there? Of course they were. Did they make a call? So far no evidence to say they did, Nada, none, zip, zilch.

Only you have "connected the dots" and accused them of calling in a bomb threat.

As where the DA has not dropped charges, I think they are connecting the dots too.

Has Paul Revere arrived with the Caller ID info yet? I know things work slower up there, but does it really take 2 weeks to get Caller ID info at Boston 911 HQ?

Why, do you have any info that they don't? If they reveal they do in the coming days, are you wrong?
Response to the last two questions. See previous reply.I'm not typing the same thing over and over. This is like argueing with a woman fer cripes sake. This same question has come up 3 or 4 times but you do a tap dance every time. If they reveal they have Caller ID of them calling in a bomb threat, I'll admit I was wrong. I'm man enough to admit my mistakes, unlike BPD.

I find it quite reasonable that he taped the hoopla, especially since he knew it was a lite brite and not a terrorist weapon.

In the words of the whiner line Glenn Ordway imitator " but honey bunch, you're making my point!"
What, that they did'nt scream BOMB and try to scare everyone? He taped them running around looking like fools, nothing more.
Good God man, he could win $100,000 on America's Funniest Videos.

Or sell it to the marketing company
Oh really? What would the marketing company do with it??

Why were'nt they screaming "BOMB!!" instead of quietly watching?

Because that would be the evidence that puts them away?
Or because they were not trying to incite a panic?
Face it, Massachusetts is full of whiney girly men that love to make mountains out of molehills.

Well, seeming to go to boston.com everyday, I see you have a fetish for whiney girlymen [/B]
The only fetish I have involves a Dallas Cowboy cheerleader and a jar of honey. As I said before, try reading Google News. They have lots of storys from lots of sources. I stand by my statement of Boston's lack of cajones.
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« Reply #63 on: February 12, 2007, 07:37:36 PM »
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Originally posted by Sixpence
I read the article you posted, I read the article online the day it was printed.

lol, you go to boston.com everyday?

BPD has'nt even accused them of calling in a bomb threat, only placing the devices.

No, they say the evidence "proves intent to cause panic" , that's a crime.

Only you have "connected the dots" and accused them of calling in a bomb threat.

As where the DA has not dropped charges, I think they are connecting the dots too.

Has Paul Revere arrived with the Caller ID info yet? I know things work slower up there, but does it really take 2 weeks to get Caller ID info at Boston 911 HQ?

Why, do you have any info that they don't? If they reveal they do in the coming days, are you wrong?

I find it quite reasonable that he taped the hoopla, especially since he knew it was a lite brite and not a terrorist weapon.

In the words of the whiner line Glenn Ordway imitator " but honey bunch, you're making my point!"

Good God man, he could win $100,000 on America's Funniest Videos.

Or sell it to the marketing company

Why were'nt they screaming "BOMB!!" instead of quietly watching?

Because that would be the evidence that puts them away?

Face it, Massachusetts is full of whiney girly men that love to make mountains out of molehills.

Well, seeming to go to boston.com everyday, I see you have a fetish for whiney girlymen


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« Reply #64 on: February 12, 2007, 08:15:35 PM »
70 people killed in American schools over the last 10 years.

An average of 7 a year....

...how many of those were gang-related?


The number killed in alcohol-related incidents during that same period are around 35,000....five-hundred times as many.  If you are really all that concerned about the safety of our school-children, perhaps you should start a movement to ban alcohol....or automobiles...or both.

Sounds to me as if your support to ban guns is woefully misplaced.  Of course, we all know prohibition didn't work.  What makes you think gun-control would work?

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« Reply #65 on: February 12, 2007, 09:29:17 PM »
Shuckins beat me to it. Roughly the underage death toll from alcohol during a single week. Not to mention the thousand people killed by lightening during that 10-year period. Perhaps we need a prohibition on being outdoors during a thunderstorm? We would have one if the politicians could make it work. Vote for Bob Smith... he's tough on lightening!

And, out of a population of 300 million. We're talking lottery ticket odds here. The reality is that unless you are a gangbanger in an urban war zone you have little real risk of meeting a violent death at the wrong end of a gun. Even innocent people in those neighborhoods have a slim chance of such a death. Is it a ****ty existance -- absolutely. But illegal firearm violence is a symptom, not a cause or a cure.

BTW, I personally know of at least two (and one probable) friends who have died directly from alcohol. Not a one from a firearm incident. Demographically, if I did know a firearm victim, it would probably be a suicide victim. Where, although we have a higher rate of firearm suicides, our overall suicide rate is comprable, and perhaps even less (can't remember), compared to other developed nations.

And we haven't even touched the 1st Amendment. Virtually all of these vanity shootings -- Colombine, the Amish deal, any number of others -- were committed with the sole intent of going out with the maximum amount of media exposure. I mean, we've had firearm ownership for well over two hundred years, yet it's only in the media age that we see these "blaze of glory" killings. So, we should sensibly restrict the news media in covering such cases, I suppose. Not to mention the action hero films and blazing machine gun cop shows that glorify violence (not even remotely related to real life crime) night after night. Violent video games are on the list, of course. Can't rely on parents to read the warning lables, so let's just ban them completely.

Then we can move on to the threat the Internet poses to our children (politicians are already testing these waters). Pedophiles roaming Myspace, hate groups recruiting at vile Web sites (the ADL is all over that one)... books like The Turner Diaries inciting the Oklahoma City Bombing (and a number of other hate crimes). Sure 99 percent of people use the Internet responsibly, but we NEED to protect our children from that 1 percent that might misuse the Internet because, as a parent, I can't be held responsible for monitoring my child's internet usage.

In today's world, my rights end where someone's feelings begin -- facts be dammed. And the majority of the responsible must suffer for the irresponsible minority since personal accountability has gone out the window where society's ills are concerned. You don't win elections by blaming the voters and telling them to get their **** together.

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Wanna sacrifice your kid so others can keep their guns? I don't.


Actually, I want my kid to grow up with individual rights as a free, responsible American. He has more to fear from the knee jerk reactions of his fellow citizens that give up a broad range of freedoms for some politician's spin on "safety," than he does from something like legal, responsible gun ownership. The facts bear this out, and I'm not even that good at math.

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« Reply #66 on: February 12, 2007, 10:50:18 PM »
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The only girl in this thread is yourself still carrying on from the other thread.   Let it go!   They overreacted and WILL be the laughing stock for awhile.


Hey, mashyourbum is adding nothing again
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« Reply #67 on: February 12, 2007, 10:53:45 PM »
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Were they there? Of course they were. Did they make a call? So far no evidence to say they did, Nada, none, zip, zilch.


Again, how would they know to be there unless they knew there was a call, do they have mole at the BPD?
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« Reply #68 on: February 12, 2007, 11:07:42 PM »
A news statement read by what was either the Chief or other high level admin. uniformed representative of the BPD stated they had received numerous calls about the devices. The rest of the statement was not broadcast so I have no other info other than that. It was a brief bit on a non Boston TV station. I don't recall now whether it was a NY station or CNN. Since I get both East and West coast feeds on my satelite TV I can watch some of the local NYC news casts.
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« Reply #69 on: February 13, 2007, 12:11:31 AM »
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Again, how would they know to be there unless they knew there was a call, do they have mole at the BPD?
From what I understand, it was the train station around the corner from their office.
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« Reply #70 on: February 13, 2007, 12:48:29 AM »
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From what I understand, it was the train station around the corner from their office.


lol, they have an office? Where?
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« Reply #71 on: February 13, 2007, 06:28:10 AM »
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 Actually, I want my kid to grow up with individual rights as a free, responsible American. He has more to fear from the knee jerk reactions of his fellow citizens that give up a broad range of freedoms for some politician's spin on "safety," than he does from something like legal, responsible gun ownership. The facts bear this out, and I'm not even that good at math.

Charon


I'll accept that as a "yes".

Oh, check this out. It wasn't a school, but you get the idea.

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« Reply #72 on: February 13, 2007, 11:20:15 AM »
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I'll accept that as a "yes".


No, a common sense risk assessment shows that your fear of firearms is far overblown compared to the real risk, using worst case scenario numbers. I don't have that blind fear. My son is more at risk from a skateboard, a receptionist after happy hour, or, frankly, lightening if you're talking about a school shooting scenario.


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Oh, check this out. It wasn't a school, but you get the idea.


Yeah. In a population of 300 million events like this occasionally, and rarely occur. Far more rare than a drunk taking out a family by crossing the center line. So, unless you are a total hypocrite, then you must have an equal outrage over the fact that alcohol is still available for sale given its ready misuse. Check This Out

You'll also note that the shooter in your link used a common hunting shotgun, which no one SAYS thay want to ban, and that the media fully covered the event. I would say the 1st Amendment played an even greater role in this shooting than the firearm. No media coverage, no "glory" and perhaps he just sticks the shotgun in his mouth and gets done with it.

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« Reply #73 on: February 13, 2007, 01:20:02 PM »
Alcohol isn't designed to kill. It may do that, but it isn't designed that way.

Anyway, it's all a red-herring argument. Stick to the point.

I mean, it comes to the point where you have to use common sense. There is no defense against someone in a public place (schools, malls, discos, etc) walking in with a gun and killing as many people as he/she can before being done in themselves. Yeah, yeah, yeah, people would kill with knives or clubs then. Sure they would, but they wouldn't be as effective at it, would they? Your solution? Arm anyone who wants a gun? That's just nuts, and you know it.

Really, it has come to the point of all-or-nothing, hasn't it?

We could suggest more laws to tighten gun ownership, but as the laws that are in place now are not enforced, what's the use of enacting more unenforced law?

We could enable CCW in all workplaces for all ages (anyone employed), but you have to have enough common sense to see that is impossible. Don't you? What kind of bureaucracy would be necessary to assure the workers getting the guns aren't themselves nuts? The same ineffective one that is in place now? So, dispensing with the idea of allowing all to CCW, what's left? Armed guards? How many per building? What would be enough to ensure safety? What cost?

In short, your solutions involve raising everyone's alertness levels to hypersensitive, then handing them guns. That's crazy. And that's the point. No matter how you slice it, your ideas wind up unworkable because of the state of our society or nature of people themselves. As hard as it is to embrace this idea, some people just shouldn't own guns.

But... I have been called to task to defend why I have changed my gun control stance from anti to pro. I can sum it up very simply; I am tired of reading about crazy people walking into a group of innocents and opening fire. You think the infrequency of these occurances is acceptable. I don't. It's not likely either of us are going to change our minds on the issue. Bringing up stats about lightning strikes, alcohol related deaths, or any such diversionary tactics are just that, diversions.

Just try to imagine if your kid was in that mall last night. I know, I know, it couldn't happen... but it did to someone, didn't it? Well, that was someone else...

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« Reply #74 on: February 13, 2007, 01:27:12 PM »
<< Just try to imagine if your kid was in that mall last night. I know, I know, it couldn't happen... but it did to someone, didn't it? Well, that was someone else...>>

we need to close the malls , they are evil crime filled places.