Author Topic: Rubber projectiles... (Read 1791 times)

Zuum · « **on:** February 15, 2007, 11:48:27 PM »

Another short film concerning in to ineffectiviness of 30mm cannon in german planes...
This time 109K4 attacking A20s... There are several cannon hits in tails of those planes...and result is: Minor disturbing...the surface, even, hardly suffers a scratch...
Weird...
The film, 300K size

IRL, that Pride of Rheinmetall-Boersig could rip wings and bodies to pieces with single hit only. Even those of big bombers like b-17s...

Krusty · « **Reply #1 on:** February 16, 2007, 12:22:59 AM »

I've got films of me landing 5-7 30mm hits in a very confined space on lancasters many times. I agree there's some funky damage modeling going on.

However, it might be on the planes, not the gun itself.

As for the film, you hit the starboard drone once mid-ships. IMO you probably should have ripped the tail off, but I can't be sure.

Then you come back and end up hitting the lead's wing with 1 30mm and its tail with 1 13mm. You only knocked a flap off. No smoke no gas no oil leaks no nothing. You probably should have blown his wing off.

I routinely hit bombers with multiple 30mm or 37mm (yakT) in same general area and it annoys me to see very little damage. I just fire again and hope the damage models are updated when the aircraft are!

Oleg · « **Reply #2 on:** February 16, 2007, 01:05:44 AM »

Dunno how it was in RL, but in game bombers fuselage can absorb massive damage. Generally shooting in fus is waste of ammo unless you hit cockpit.
As far as i read, in general single 30mm in wing wasnt enough to shoot heavy bomber down, usually they need 2-3x30mm in one wing (IRL).

Krusty · « **Reply #3 on:** February 16, 2007, 01:07:04 AM »

Most bombers, I'd agree Oleg. Only these were A-20s. As small as P-38s basically. Small wings, small structure. It's basically a large fighter.

Oleg · « **Reply #4 on:** February 16, 2007, 01:14:58 AM »

Oops, missed plane name, only notice "B-17" mentioned in end of message.

Benny Moore · « **Reply #5 on:** February 17, 2007, 12:46:31 AM »

Like all Nazi equipment, the Mark 108 is very highly over-rated today. A lot of people associate Nazi Germany with power, and that is the reason behind the fascination.

1K3 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 17, 2007, 01:12:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Benny Moore
Like all Nazi equipment, the Mark 108 is very highly over-rated today. A lot of people associate Nazi Germany with power, and that is the reason behind the fascination.

Yup, these guys designed some of the best machine guns and cannons in the world at that time. Such fine example is the venerable MG-42. The sound of that machine gun really scared the allies (no exaggeration here)

Zuum · « **Reply #7 on:** February 17, 2007, 02:47:33 AM »

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Originally posted by Benny Moore
Like all Nazi equipment, the Mark 108 is very highly over-rated today. A lot of people associate Nazi Germany with power, and that is the reason behind the fascination.

ROFLMAO! I rely on presumption that You are kidding
Please, take a look on this fact sheet:
mk 108

P.S. According to my film, mk108 is really not over-rated...

Krusty · « **Reply #8 on:** February 17, 2007, 02:00:33 PM »

Benny's a US aircraft fanatic, saying no other plane from any country could ever best them, so that may be why he thinks this of LW equipment.

Benny Moore · « **Reply #9 on:** February 20, 2007, 10:47:27 AM »

No, it's because of the discrepency between the opinions of pilots and Aces High II players.

Oleg · « **Reply #10 on:** February 21, 2007, 12:53:57 AM »

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Originally posted by Benny Moore
No, it's because of the discrepency between the opinions of pilots and Aces High II players.

You mean discrepency between the opinions of american pilots and Aces High II players?

I am pretty sure most pilots believed airplanes of their country was the best.

Serenity · « **Reply #11 on:** February 21, 2007, 01:25:22 AM »

I think it has taken me up to 20-25 30mm mk 108 rounds to take down a single B-24. Its frustrating. Also, ive put two WgR 21 rockets nicely in the middle of the formation, seen a nice detonation in the middle, right where I wanted it, and seen only fuel leaks. The only plane I have yet to be able to kill with WgR21s is the Ki-67. B-24s and B-17s shrug these off like nothing, and from the pilots testaments, in real life, nothing could be farther from the truth. And 1k3, I beleive the gun you are thinking of, that struck terror into the allies, was the Machingewher 38. This gun was smaller, but much more feared because for every one shell fired, three explosions were heard, causing this gun to SOUND like it had 3 times the firing rate, producing not a "takka-takka-takka" sound, but a straight buzzing. Training films were developed specifically to teach the allies this gun wasnt as effective as it sounded, but I am not so fortunate as to be able to get my hands on this. But I do agree, the Mg42 was an excellent gun. Im trying to save up $2,000 to get my hands on an airsoft version of one...

<------- Confirmed Luftwhiner

1K3 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 21, 2007, 11:18:05 AM »

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Originally posted by Serenity
But I do agree, the Mg42 was an excellent gun. Im trying to save up $2,000 to get my hands on an airsoft version of one...

<------- Confirmed Luftwhiner

lol is that even legal...?

Benny Moore · « **Reply #13 on:** February 24, 2007, 01:21:35 AM »

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Originally posted by Oleg
I am pretty sure most pilots believed airplanes of their country was the best.

You are in Russia. What could you possibly know about World War Two fighters?

Krusty · « **Reply #14 on:** February 24, 2007, 01:30:11 AM »

You are in America, what would you possibly know about anything made in another country? Right? You can't toss insults like that around without them coming back at ya instantly. I'd suggest not tossing them to begin with.

Getting back on topic: I put a 30mm up the arse of a Ar234 today, dead on perfect hit. No damage. (no don't ask, wasn't rolling film). He tried to ditch at a v-field and a friendly shot him before he could, but I only received an assist. Ar234 is as compact as a boston (more so!), with a very narrow fuselage. I can't see it surviving as much damage as it seems to.