Head-On Attack

[aerosaber]

OK,just a note about the HO. I really dont understand the big HO thing in Aces. The head-on attack is a common air combat move, or was in the piston era. I try to avoid them myself as I fly the zeke most of the time.

If this is a combat simulation, then the HO is part of the game. If you get killed in a head-on, just go get another airplane and try again. Much better deal than the real pilots got. Don't start flaming some guy on 200.

And again, if this is a combat simulation, its not jousting, or playing nice; Its about killing the other guy before he kills you.

Just Google head-on and dogfight. You will find pilots have been doing it since they put guns on airplanes.

Just my 2 cents

[TequilaChaser]

Head-On Attacks er....HO's show that a player either takes little effort if any to acquire a kill. When people see others opening up with the guns at distances ranging from 2k out to 800 out, then it is a tell-tell sign that this is a NOOB they are about to fight, for the most part.

Some hate them, some prefer to do them......who really cares.....

if you are hear to justify why you think it is ok to use them then you go boy

but you are only hurting yourself in not learning how to gain an angles advantage to acquire a more appropriate guns solution........

this is not WWII, this is a combat flight sim ( er a game ).....so anything goes, anytime of the day

but people are judged by how they fly and play the game, if you want to take the easy way out and HO/Ram for not being able to evade a Nose to Nose merge (it is a 50/50 chance), because you trying to HO.then 9 times out of 10 people will flame you on ch200.... they always have and they always will.......

people  that have played these sims for years on end gain a reputation, some good , some bad...it is up to you what type of reputation you want to be thought of or given by your online friends/foe in the game,  then again you might don't care either way.......

but the way you posted this thread, looks like you trying to justify why you HO.......

the same can be said for how a player post topics or respond to threads on the AH BBS as well......


edit: it is not just in Aces High, people have the same thoughts about it in just about every flight sim you can play online.......my 2 cents worth

[hubsonfire]

Don't worry about what everyone else says or does, aero. It's a game, not a test of your cartoon manhood. Try to have some fun, and ignore the killjoys.

[aerosaber]

I only participate in a head on when I have no choice. As I said, I normally fly the zero, not a real HO machine.

I just found it strange that this practice is so dissed. Not defending myself, no need, just conversation.

I get the HO as much as anyone else. I usually lose, but dont start sending nastygrams to the guy who killed me.

The whole topic gets everyones panties in a bunch, I find it amusing...lol.

I've flow in aces over 2 years, with a one year break between.  I think I'm an honorable pilot. The problem is I'm also a military history nut, so the two collide on occasion.

This discussion was offered in that context, which someone misunderstood.

[Stampf]

OMG, another Ho thread.

The only people who complain about it are those who get shot down by a head on attack.  Otherwise, its "A great Shot" "Awesome Kill"  "Ownage"...

It boils down to what I tell every pilot in my gruppe.

"Why would you engage in an attack that leaves you with at best, a 50% chance of coming through it??"  You are allowing the enemy a gun solution, banking that your rounds will hit first...pretty stupid."  Try to avoid the head on unless you know you can win it, and that is seldom.  A good example is when someone flying straight at you opens up with all guns outside of 1K away.  When that happens it a sure sign of noobage, so simply rudder a bit out of the line of enemy rounds, then rudder back, kill the idjut and fly on looking for a more challanging engagement.

Edit: cold fingers.

[TequilaChaser]

my apologys for misreading then, aero

I threw out my opinion as most look at it, I myself don't care either way.

If  I am not having fun, I log off, If I get HOed, I very seldom say anything ( sometimes in KOTH on 1st intial merge, sometimes in Game when dogfight 1 vs 3 or 4 opponents , then a 4th or 5th comes barrelling in guns a blazing)

the PM nastygrams is beginning to look like an epidemic lately,  funny thing is only PM's I usually get are of good nature.

when you mentioned google search in your 1st post, it did look like you was trying to give reason why it is or isn't ok...... that is what led me to assume ( and we know, assuming is the mother of all F ups )

as hub posted, don't worry or give much thought to what others think, just worry about  how long you'll get to fly before the wife-ack starts hitting you to mow the lawn

[DREDger]

You can probably imagine this topic has been discussed ad nauseum and there are as many opinions as..well...you know.  There are also many many different circumstances which head on encounters occur.

For the most part, I am of the opinion that it takes 'two to tango'..that is, two guys are playing chicken and niether wants to give...then the 200 is filled with the looser calling winner ho'tard, and winner claiming well placed snap shot (lol)

I think that if you can avoid a HO shot, its in your own interest to do so.  When I go into a HO situation, I put my odds at 50/50 coming out alive and 99/100 at being damaged.

Other times, like in a furball, your turning and wha-la, there is someone right on your nose coming at u.  I will fire for all I am worth.  Or, in 'gamey' situations, where a field is completely capped and I up an IL2, I will on purpose try to engage in HO's...if they are dumb enough to go nose on to a low E plane, hahaha.

My suggestion without writting a paper, just have fun.  If someone on 200 starts writting this or that, just write back 'LOL' or 'LMAO'.  It shows you either don't care or think 'their' opinion is laughable....or turn off 200.

[Bruv119]

I head on attacked an LA yesterday.

My p51d his LA both looking at each other.  I could see in zoom that he was planning on rolling out of the way so i took the initiative and went straight at him guns blazing.

Most would call that a HO shot but it wasnt I anticipated what he was up too and gambled that he wasnt going to pull into me at the last second.

Such a fine line between an actual "chicken" type HO and a slight off angle shot.

[aerosaber]

Hey its cool. I figured it was a standard reply. And those wives do get nasty about this game.

Salute Sir!

[BaldEagl]

If another player flys straight at me he's going to get HO'd.  Period.  

Why?  Because I expect he's coming straight at me to try to do the same.

And I will win 80-90% of the time.  Why?  My convergences are all set to D650 so I can open up at 1K, kill the dweeb and break before his D250 settings have a chance to touch me.

I tried to avoid HO's for 2-3 months.  80% of all players tried to HO me (only about 5% successfully) and I just got sick of it so, they get what they deserve.

If I see someone turning for the merge (all you experienced guys know what it looks like) I will never HO but go for the fair fight on the cold merge as I know thats what they are setting up for too.

The only caveot to that is if I am in a position where I am outnumbered, or in the midst of a furball, then anything goes to stay alive.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Bruv119
I head on attacked an LA yesterday.

went straight at him guns blazing.

 

HO

[Masherbrum]

The best threads are the ones that mention the show "Dogfights" and therefore, ARE GOSPEL!

[Bruv119]

No steve I dont think you are getting my point.

a Head on would have been both of us looking for a shot.  I looked for it because I could see him intending to move out of the way.  At the point when I was firing his guns werent pointed at me and his plane wasn't also.

I was just saying how many people would have called my attack a HO but it wasnt.  If he had intended to HO I would have moved.  My definition of a HO is when both parties are lined up pointing and shooting at one another resulting in a collision or death.

[DREDger]

^ totally fair game you bloody british hodard.   especially baldeagle, purposely setting his convergence farther away and shooting long distance.  is there no shame, no humanity?

[BaldEagl]

Originally posted by DREDger
^ totally fair game you bloody british hodard.   especially baldeagle, purposely setting his convergence farther away and shooting long distance.  is there no shame, no humanity?

D650 is just my preferred convergence setting all-around.  It's also particularily good for buff hunting and killing runners and means I have to lead less in a turn fight as my guns are pointed up somewhat, but, since they are my preferred settings then I'll use them to my advantage to kill a HO dweeb too.