Global Warming SOLAR-made not MAN-made

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by JB88
and conservative institutions do not?

(growing tired of this devisive liberal v. conservative crapola that keeps anything real from ever being accomplished)

Having trouble trying to word this properly...  Every way I can write is wrong to say.


You need to be careful in thinking that any education makes you right.  Or that the actions YOU want to do are right themselves, even if you believe them to be right.

[JB88]

i agree.  i am not meaning to suggest that scholarly education is better than life experience, but i would take one of those choices over the alternative any day of the week.

further, since when is inaction is okay when there is overwhelming evidence and logic which consistantly points toward an obvious, albeit difficult choice.

[Viking]

There is no universal concept of 'right' and 'wrong'. You fight for what you believe is right, with words or weapons. If you win you are right. All you need to do is take a long hard look at nature and this basic truth is obvious.

Intelligence, education and guns can give you an edge though.

[FiLtH]

Originally posted by majic
We could just put up some venitian blinds up between us and the sun.

   And I bet Venice would donate them for free since they have so much at stake.

[Maverick]

There is a difference here in what the term education means. It seems to me that a couple posters here are unsure of the difference between education and indoctrination.

Education teaches a person to think on their own, analyze and determine for themselves.

Indoctrination teaches you what to think.

At times the line can get very fuzzy in a classroom, particularly when the class is Social Studies and or History. A good teacher will broach subjects and point students to both sides of a situation. A poor one will simply spout their own political position.

One would hope that the "system" would be one of education, not indoctrination. Even so if it were a good "system", education , like ANY tool can be misused

[lukster]

Originally posted by JB88
and conservative institutions do not?

(growing tired of this devisive liberal v. conservative crapola that keeps anything real from ever being accomplished)

You really expect to get anything accomplished in this forum?

In real life there is a struggle in our nation among various self-interest groups with the federal government leading the pack.

[lazs2]

jb88...  I am reading you but you aren't saying anything.   I have said from the beggining that I felt nature is the cause of global climate change one way or the other.

What are you saying?   That we shouldn't intentionaly pollute?   or that we should all stop driving.. or... something in between?   spit it out.

Have the guts to tell us what needs to be done and why..   Have the guts to admit that you were swayed by the movie of a know liar and politician (invented the internet indeed!)

What part about that liars movie convinced you to... to what?  

ITS THE SUN STUPID

lazs

[moot]

Laser,
Look at Mav's and Viking's replies.

It's all a matter of purpose.  What's your purpose?
Whatever it is, your plan to achieve it will be a success, proportionally to the accuracy of the knowledge you founded it on.

It might seem overly platonic, but that's the only definition of good I believe in that doesn't involve faith.

[JB88]

Originally posted by lazs2
jb88...  I am reading you but you aren't saying anything.   I have said from the beggining that I felt nature is the cause of global climate change one way or the other.

What are you saying?   That we shouldn't intentionaly pollute?   or that we should all stop driving.. or... something in between?   spit it out.

Have the guts to tell us what needs to be done and why..   Have the guts to admit that you were swayed by the movie of a know liar and politician (invented the internet indeed!)

What part about that liars movie convinced you to... to what?  

ITS THE SUN STUPID

lazs

guts?  for what?  

guts...lol.

and you wonder why i never take you seriously lasz.

[lazs2]

I think that the reason you won't state what you believe is that you are afraid to look bad.

You claim that algors movie toched you deep inside and was irrefuteable.   So spit it out..

What should we do and why?  

Take me seriously or not.. at least I have the guts to say what I believe and why.   I have seen who you "take seriously" and believe me when I say... I am glad you don't lump me in with them.


lazs

[JB88]

Originally posted by lazs2
I think that the reason you won't state what you believe is that you are afraid to look bad.

You claim that algors movie toched you deep inside and was irrefuteable.   So spit it out..

What should we do and why?  

Take me seriously or not.. at least I have the guts to say what I believe and why.   I have seen who you "take seriously" and believe me when I say... I am glad you don't lump me in with them.


lazs

show me where i said that lasz.  show me where i said that it touched me inside.  i said that "parts convinced me deeply" so?  wasnt i saying how i felt?

and show me where i said that the movie was irrefutable.  i said that some of the parts were good arguments.  again.  i said what i believe.

i have also said that irregardless of warming i feel that it is imperative that we discontinue polluting our planet.  why?  because it cannot possibly be healthy for it or us.

heres the thing lasz.  i will be more than happy to converse with you on the subject at great length when you can act a bit less like a bully and more like someone who is actually interested in something that i have to say and/or an actual discourse or exchange of ideas.  

i have lots of ideas about what we could do and i tend to be a person who IS more interested in solutions, but i dont think you are really all that interested in hearing them...if you were you would know that i state my opinions about things quite alot and you would certainly know that i will say them without fearing what canned tough guy acts like YOU might think.  

perhaps you'd rather take your frustrations about your own life or your troubles out on me or others on this board.  fine.   but i really don't care to play your way and i am just not all that interested.

[Hajo]

Moot here here!! Good answer discerning the difference between being Educated and Indoctrinated.

As one gets older....you tend to notice more about what is occuring around you.  When you were young, struggling to raise a family most had little time but to work and worry about the status of their families. Leisure time was far between.  Hopefully you were wise enough to gather some information on the way.  Things that you were told that were fact when younger you find aren't always true.  You tend to look up into a dark, clear, moonlit night during Winter and marvel at what you see.  It should be at that time......if you really see what you are looking at.....how unimportant we all are.  And how we are such a tiny speck in something we'll never quite fully understand.  "With age comes Wisdom, with Wisdom comes Sorrow."  See if you can comprehend the meaning of that quote.  It's not the deep grieving kind of sorrow.....well..... just think about what that quote means.

Again......Nature will find a way.  When it has had enough of us, we'll know.

And just as in the past.......life just might find a way.  And I do hope it is better then the last.  More intelligent.

[Terror]

This is a scientist that has changed their mind about Global Warming.

Allegre's second thoughts

T

[JB88]

ya, but she's a socialist.  so she can't be trusted.  (or so they say in these here parts)

[lazs2]

88...  so where am I being a tough guy and not allowing you to give your ideas?   I have done nothing but ask you to tell me what should be done.

That is the thing.   No one believes that we should pollute to no good end.   We all pollute by simply existing.   somewhere in between is a happy medium.

Some "solutions" cause more pollution than the so called problem in the first place.. if we all sat around campfires instead of our homes we would probly pollute a lot more...  some primitive wastewater treatment plants use a lot less electricity and chemicals than do the state mandated highly advanced ones.

The EPA is loaded down with no nothing hippies and junk science...   The whole man made global warming thing stinks of junk science and agenda.

I am sure it is not lost on people who read this that you are the one attempting to do the "bullying" here.   the only difference is that you are doing it without any defense of your position.

I don't think asking you to state your position and solutions to a problem you claim exists is bullying in the least.

lazs