Global Warming SOLAR-made not MAN-made

[storch]

Originally posted by Saintaw
While sitting comfortably on what is here called the 'alarmistlibrulz' side, I saw it and wasn't impressed... most of the screen time is more an advertising for the author than the subject itself.

little wonder

[Saintaw]

storch  & I agree...



EVERYONE, TO THE BOMB SHELTERS, NOW!!!!

[storch]

why do you look so angry in your avatar, saw?

[Saintaw]

That isn't me, I have more hair!

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Saintaw
storch  & I agree...



EVERYONE, TO THE BOMB SHELTERS, NOW!!!!

Silly humans. Bomb shelters? Hehe! Only me and The Brain hold the real answer.
(I snuffed Pinky )

[lazs2]

88..  I think you missed the point again.   I don't care what the farmers almanac uses to predict the weather....  I simply said that since the "man made global warming" "scientists" are so wrong and the almanac so right... why not go with the odds and listen to the people with the good track record?

You also act like we are using up the earths resources...  using them up.   We have more trees and vegetation than we had a hundred years ago...  more coal has been discovered than we thought existed 100 years ago...  for all we know... if the democrats were to let us explore... we might find even bigger deposits of oil than are known to exist...  what are we "using up"?

We are conserving.   We are often replacing or discovering more of what we use.   Course.... "conservation" is a pretty meaningless term or... at least, one that varies in degree wildly like all the other "scientific" terms you acolytes of the man made global warming religion use... "significant" "massive"  "almost certainly"..

You are losing the people with your shrill and shrew message.   The voice of reason is coming out..  You dismiss any simple explanation.. ITS THE SUN STUPID

And why wouldn't it be?  we don't control the sun.. it isn't some zillion watt bulb that glows with the same intensity till it burns out.   Of course it is going to get stronger and weaker from time to time and be unpredictable in how it does it to a great extent.    

How can you pass off the evidence that it makes mars hotter at the exact time it makes us hotter?  In that case...you are a scientist that believes in coincidence?    No wonder you are losing believers.

Someone asked... what have we got to lose... I would put forth MTBE as an example of "scientists" coming up with a hasty solution based on panic and not enough data...  I would put forth the DDT ban...  

But most of all... we lose the ability to reason..  moot hints at this...if we all become acolytes at these chalatans alter...  then we lose the ability to do real research... these guys are proving it every day... they are trying to stiffle and bully anyone who doesn't tow the "man made global warming" line.

Every bill you get may be increased 20% from your electrical to your water to your sewer based on junk science..  There are countless ways we can "lose" if we don't approach this from a reasoned way.

lazs

[Angus]

Lazs, out of memory, the sun's "heat up" recently was accounted to some 4% of the total change.
And this:
"You also act like we are using up the earths resources... using them up. We have more trees and vegetation than we had a hundred years ago"
Is absolute nonsense.

[lazs2]

nope... the total is the more.

Also.. back in the 70's scientists felt that we were using up the earths resources... One scientist strayed from that religion and said that he thought it was not possible.. he challenged the group to make a list of ten resources that would not be gone but would only show a decrease in ten years time.   All ten are more than what was known then.  

Don't ask me to link to the above cause I can't.. it is a memory... I think it is true hopefully someone will know about it.  In any case...  name something we have run out of?  

We are an arrogant race.. we feel we are more powerful than nature and that the world revolves around us..  Hell.. we can build a dam.. we can clear cut a forest or strip mine a valley... it always recovers tho.   For all we know there are vast oil fields under the ocean waiting to be found... most believe this to be true.

Oil is not dinosour juice as the scientists once told us.. they don't know what it is it seems.. they don't know how much is being made by nature every day compared to how much we are using.

They are wrong a lot.. they change their minds based on new evidence.. that is fine but... it seems obvious that anytime they make a prediction based on theory... it should be simply looked at as something to watch and not base ones life on.   They are wrong too often.  they understand too little of the major natural forces that control the planet.

lazs

[moot]

Ok, so I am punting a topic, but there's a valid addition to the discussion:

This August's Scientific American issue talks covers Global Warming, five writers are in on it.
At the end of a paragraph at the end of the page 72 text, it is noted in two sentences, that in spring-2007, a major research announcement found that the rate of "atmospheric forcing causing warming" for 2000-2004 was triple the rate found in the decade 1990-2000.
The current IPCC findings for warming, and for crisis warnings, were based on the lower 1990-2000 observed rates.

So is this just another spike in the noise, or is this piece of data really unprecedented, for once?  Or is this piece of data no more conclusive than everything we've seen so far either?

"But the IPCC scientists made their assessment before a study published online this past April in the 'Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA' reported the worldwide carbon dioxide emissions between 2000-2004 increased at three times the rate of the 1990s -- from 1.1 to 3.2 percent a year. In other words, the actual global emissions since 2000 grew faster than those projected in the highest of the scenarios developed by the IPCC.
That research indicates that the situation is more dire than even the bleak IPCC assessment forecasts."

Link

[lazs2]

so the co2 tripled but the temp stayed the same or went down?

lazs

[lazs2]

Always liked ol Vin but never knew his thinking on the subject was so close to mine.

http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/8269987.html

Of note is that he points out the religious fervor of the "man made global...."  er.... "climate change" acolytes and..

the fact that nature always trumps what we do.   In the 70's they were telling us that the particulates from our cars and factories were blotting out the sun and that we were causing the next ice age... due by 1999...  never mind what the sun was doing...

Ol Vin pretty much nails it.

I have asked repeatedly what the global warming religious left here would have us do... what is the cure?  I got nothing except change out some lightbulbs to the mercury filled ones...  and maybe suggest that I be more careful...  maybe not waste any more than their high priest algore.

Ol Vin has the courage to come right out and tell us what needs to be done tho..  what we need to do.   If this is as serious as is claimed by hortlund and angus and a few others... we need to bite the bullet and do as Vin says.

Sure...he's a libertarian and not really a lefty like most all the other true believers but...

lazs

[moot]

Well, I had heard the hypothesis that the temperature lags behind the actual GW-causing stuff repeated a lot. Either way, if this spike has no precedent, then it is definitely interesting.
I was just curious if this might be something new, or just another attempt to get a knee-jerk out of the mostly jaded/fear-mongering-saturated public.  I don't have time to research something like this anymore, so I asked supposing someone would know.

[lazs2]

I don't know.. it sounds to me... smells like... fear and desperation.  Odd tho... that kind of thing just makes us doubters say... "see... they can't predict squat."

We end up asking... "eggs... good for us today or bad for us?"

I don't think the old globe is willing to give up all its secrets to these clowns just yet.   It may have some nasty and some pleasant surprises in store for us... just like it always has since the beginning.

lazs

[FBBone]

The global warming hysteria will be remembered as one of those episodes of "the madness of crowds" which saw bands of flagellants wandering Europe urging folks to finish work on those cathedrals real soon because the world was going to come to an end at the millennium, in 1,000 A.D., and the minor panic of Oct. 30, 1938, when numerous radio listeners were taken in by the realistic Orson Welles broadcast of "The War of the Worlds."

Word.

[moot]

I'm just curious by nature, lazs.. It makes no difference to me, as even if I didn't have more than enough other things to keep me occupied, GW won't be worth worrying about until it's actualy understood as opposed to chicken-littled about..
The triple figure sounded like something new, assuming it isn't just more reaching, like I said.