Author Topic: Vermont Votes to Impeach Bush/Cheney (Read 908 times)

Bodhi · « **Reply #15 on:** March 07, 2007, 06:08:09 PM »

aquablimp,
I am not advocating a Gestapo type society. Rather, I advocate a society where the news is not biased, the threats of terrorism are taken seriously, and liberals stop creating nanny laws and wasting the governments time.

You go ahead and start that collection though. Maybe you could move yourself out from under your bridge...

Debonair · « **Reply #16 on:** March 07, 2007, 06:08:54 PM »

john9001 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 07, 2007, 06:44:43 PM »

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Originally posted by AquaShrimp

So as soon as you say the word, I'll start a collection here in the o'club to buy you a ticket to the most locked-down, liberty-less, high security country of your choosing. Maybe you will feel safe there.

you wanna send bodhi to england?

Torque · « **Reply #18 on:** March 07, 2007, 07:08:56 PM »

pffftt...ok that was funny.

Dago · « **Reply #19 on:** March 07, 2007, 09:29:03 PM »

Lets toss Vermont from the union, we can always import maple syrup from Canada.

Hap · « **Reply #20 on:** March 08, 2007, 01:40:54 AM »

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Originally posted by Dago
Lets toss Vermont from the union, we can always import maple syrup from Canada.

Or we could send the Idaho Militia. Idahoans are all about showing their resolve.

All the Best,

hap

Why does some of this sound like a South Park episode but in real life, sort of, with Bodhi on a desert island and Aqua under a bridge?

lazs2 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 09, 2007, 08:56:16 AM »

I don't miss the world trade center... I would miss the UN even less.

lazs

Mace2004 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 09, 2007, 09:29:21 AM »

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We the people have the power -- and the responsibility -- to remove executives who transgress not just the law, but the rule of law.

The oaths that the President and Vice President take binds them to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States." The failure to do so forms a sound basis for articles of impeachment.

The President and Vice President have failed to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution" in the following ways:

1. They have manipulated intelligence and misled the country to justify an immoral, unjust, and unnecessary preemptive war in Iraq. This is just patently false. The intel presented in the run-up to the war was essentially the exact same stuff that we saw during the Clinton administration. It was the same stuff that we saw at CENTCOM and NAVCENT throughout the 90's including the belief that Iraq had WMD

2. They have directed the government to engage in domestic spying without warrants, in direct contravention of U.S. law. Intercepting communications between foreign enemies and persons in the US is not "domestic" spying

3. They have conspired to commit the torture of prisoners, in violation of the Federal Torture Act and the Geneva Convention. Someone here obviously doesn't know what torture really is. Listening to liberal hogwash is torture so I'd say they'd have a point if the US forced prisoners to listen to the likes of Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Al Gore, etc.

4. They have ordered the indefinite detention without legal counsel, without charges and without the opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention -- all in violation of U.S. law and the Bill of Rights. Wartime prisoners have NEVER been allowed trial by jury and they have ALWAYS been held to the end of the conflict. This is not an issue of crime, it's an issue of war. Also, "detainees" are clearly illegal combatants under the Geneva Conventions.

When strong evidence exists of the most serious crimes, we must use impeachment -- or lose the ability of the legislative branch to compel the executive branch to obey the law.

What these bozos are really saying is they disagree with the policies of the President and his administration. This is fine, no matter how mistaken they are, they're entitled to their opinion but the problem here is they are seeking to criminalize differences of opinion with regard to policy for political purposes.

eagl · « **Reply #23 on:** March 09, 2007, 09:46:05 AM »

I voted to kick Vermont out of the union, but it didn't matter any more than their impeachment vote...

Hell, I "voted" to give myself a 50% pay raise last year. Fat lot of good it did for me... democracy sucks.

Dago · « **Reply #24 on:** March 09, 2007, 11:44:53 AM »

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Originally posted by eagl
I voted to kick Vermont out of the union, but it didn't matter any more than their impeachment vote...

Hell, I "voted" to give myself a 50% pay raise last year. Fat lot of good it did for me... democracy sucks.

Eagl, I vote to give you a raise, but really dude, we should have been charging your for getting to fly an F15! Dude, do you know how much money you could make charging for rides in one of those?

I figure you probably owe us at least a million five for all the fun you had in that aircraft. Not to mention the tweety and I assume the T38.

Pay up dude.

Vudak · « **Reply #25 on:** March 09, 2007, 11:52:56 AM »

The only thing I have against VT is how I feel compelled to bring along my passport each time I go just so that I can buy a pack of smokes.

eagl · « **Reply #26 on:** March 09, 2007, 08:59:08 PM »

Dago,

I'm paying back this last year, trust me. I wouldn't wish my current job on my worst enemy.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #27 on:** March 09, 2007, 09:03:15 PM »

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Originally posted by eagl
Dago,

I'm paying back this last year, trust me. I wouldn't wish my current job on my worst enemy.

Ha ha ha ha

That's what my recruiter said! Word for word sir!

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what pisses me off is it's usually not the maintainers that get the incentive rides. It's usually the command post or ops folks.

PS last I checked you're a major.....what are you going to do with a 50% raise besides buy a BMW?

lol JK sir

eagl · « **Reply #28 on:** March 09, 2007, 09:26:45 PM »

Guns,

The crummy thing about incentive rides is that it's often simple mis-communication and high workload in MX itself that keeps maintainers out of the jet.

At Lakenheath, we offered at least 2 incentives a week to MX, and damned if they didn't go un-filled a lot of the time. It was a bit of a shame... I know MX has to turn wrenches and that takes priority over joyrides, but we were flying our jets into the ground and mission requirements always take priority.

Still, MX got the vast majority of the incentives while I was there. I think I helped process a hundred incentives for MX while I was there. Not only did each squadron have a direct relationship with their maintainers to flow incentives into any available/empty incentive line, the MXG also had about 30 "scheduled" and authorized incentive rides per year. Guess what - MXG almost never used those authorized rides. I never got accurate numbers for exactly how many maintainers we flew in the "quiet" direct relationship program, but it was enough that the official allocation was almost never touched.

That said, the other groups (mission support, services, etc) also failed to use their allocations. The only groups that ever used their allocations were ironically the ops group commander who had only 6 discretionary slots, and the wing commander who had about 10. Most of the squadron, group, and wing commander slots went to annual award winners, with only a couple of true discretionary slots allowed. Of course if the OG or WG/CC really wanted to give someone a ride, all they had to do was ask and it happened, but we really did try to manage the program fairly.

We had one guy on the incentive ride list for over a year... Either he didn't really want the ride or his shirt wouldn't release him for the day required for his ride. I hated seeing that almost as much as I hated ending a year with over 40 unused incentive allocations. The only good news about that was that the weekly incentive rides usually still flew, with a maintainer in the back seat. It was the other support personnel around the base that got hosed.

But you're right, diff bases do incentives differently and a lot of times the maintainers never get a shot. That sort of sucks.

eagl · « **Reply #29 on:** March 09, 2007, 09:33:31 PM »

Regarding salary and my BMW... We went with a honda civic instead of the 335i I wanted. Sometimes even officers exhibit traces of common sense, and unfortunately this was one of those times.

I can still get that 335i with the overseas military discount... About $6000 off sticker price stateside. All I have to do is walk a mile to the BMW dealer outside the base and hand him a check. Tempting as hell but my firebird still runs fine and my wife already has a nice car, so...

Plus I want/need a used pickup to carry stuff related to the dozen or so home improvement and furniture projects I want to start. If I bought a beemer, I'd have 4 cars because I'd keep my firebird for racing on weekends. I'm already bleeding myself dry owning two houses, and I don't need to add to the pain by owning that many cars. Duplicating expenses because my wife works in a different city than I do is already a big waste of money, but that's a lot better than her not working at all.