Please

[FiLtH]

When planning FSOs make multiple targets some all 250 players arent in the same sector. The frame rates went to zero. Locked up twice. Ruins the whole experience for me watching a slideshow.

  Thought we went over this.

[68slayr]

i had frame rate in 5-10 when i dove on b17s....in the small area there were 75-100 planes...

[doobs]

BEWARE of the JG44

pushed thru the slaughter, heavy losses but we achieved.


We shine in these types of missions

beware, I have the ords for frame three, axis might as well stay home.

[Krusty]

Yes, well, do you really need 100+ formations to hit 2 targets? You could EASILY remove all formations (disable it in arena) and still have 3x as many bombers to accomplish all tasks. Then those 60+ fighters that were trying to vulch and didn't have squat to do for the last hour and half of the frame would actually be busy defending the bombers they had, instead of relying on absurdly large numbers of AAA laser-gunned ack platforms (I mean, "formations") to protect the bombers.

[TracerX]

Originally posted by FiLtH
When planning FSOs make multiple targets some all 250 players arent in the same sector. The frame rates went to zero. Locked up twice. Ruins the whole experience for me watching a slideshow.

  Thought we went over this.

Filth, we thought we might see two separate groups of bombers this time around, but alas, it appeared to be a single large group.  We scrambled to meet the juggernaut, and initially did very well to clear a bunch of fighters, but it is nearly impossible to stop all those airplanes.  I have to congratulate all of the Axis pilots on executing the plans tonight.  We did not kill all the bombers, but 48 is not bad.  I think the 347th had 22  bombers all by themselves.  Way to go 347th.  I am not sure how our strikes went, but our train at the radar facility was still running when I last checked it, so it will be interesting to see how this one is scored.  By the end, the Allies definately had control of the skies over Italy.  But that is just because we were all at the officers club by then.  


gents.

[Valkyrie]

I refsue to give you a target. Fix your frame rate and invest by investing in a better machine. I will not when I am CO put my guys in position to be slaughtered by you.







Vlkyrie1

[AKDogg]

I actually think they have to many bombers for the setup.  Formations should have been disabled.  I think with all the Axis planes together could not have killed all the bombers let alone the fighter escort.  just my .02.

[68slayr]

i agree with dogg

[byheck]

Originally posted by TracerX
Filth, we thought we might see two separate groups of bombers this time around, but alas, it appeared to be a single large group.  ..... gents.

As the person planning the Bomber routing for Frame #2, I wish to state, my original Bomber Plan did indeed have 2 separate Bomber routes.  However, during the 475th FG Staff (Frame CiC) meeting my original Bomber Route Plan was rejected by all 475th FG Staff members (except myself).  Primary reason being the Axis having ME262s, and unwillingness to send either Bomber Group without a maximum Fighter protection.

Original Bomber Route Plan would have had Bomber at higher altitudes and both target areas would have been hit approximately T+45-50.  [Note: both Bomber Groups would also have been carring more fuel].

[TracerX]

Byheck, I am not sure it would have been much different had it been two separate bomber groups.  It is hard to say, but the eventual success you had this frame was because we were unable to finish off the fighters.  We were able to hit the bombers hard, but the fighters were able to reform and protect the remnants.  I believe the Axis pilots did as good as could be hoped for on this frame.  I do wonder what it would have been like with formations disabled since every formation is the equivalent of three pilots.

[Sketch]

Originally posted by Valkyrie
I refsue to give you a target. Fix your frame rate and invest by investing in a better machine. I will not when I am CO put my guys in position to be slaughtered by you.

Vlkyrie1

So because some of us lack the super computer that can handle this game, you take that to your advantage?  Gee thanks....  Let me go sell one of my kidney's so I can up my computer for next week.  

[WxMan]

Regardless of the outcome, both frames were fun. According to the logs, both sides for each frame were nearly even and close to their maximum commitment.

Having seen that, I have estimated that the Allies fielding their minimum commitment of 24 bomber pilots would produce an additional 48 aircraft above what the Axis would field due to the formations.  Certainly a target rich enviroment and certainly more than enough I thought to accomplish their objectives.  It was a concern I stated when writing the Axis orders for the first frame. I believe in this particular tour, the scale is tipped slightly in favor of the Allies.

However, give credit to the Allied escorts. They did thier job well and at the end of each frame were able to roam the map freely.

[Valkyrie]

You lw winers shouldn't even be here. By this point you were so desimated that you could barely field a squadron let alone and Air Force. And losing this many buffs is unsustainable. THe allies never lost his many aircraft during raids in any period.


Losing 40 % of a force is not fair to the allies period. Its not the LW's god given right to shoot down 100 planes a frame. THis game is so slanted to the defenders its not even funny. Only the LW winers complain about it.

This is more than fair and even a total disadvantage to the Allied side.

Vlkyrie1

[Krusty]

Val... in the same respects, nor is it the Allied god-given right to literally wipe out ALL opposition within 60 minutes. Yeah, THAT happend in the real war...

In a game, it does happen, however. This is a game. When you have almost 50 more aircraft in the air, and those 50 have slaved AAA laser guided weapons, it further adds to the allied prejudice. The point was, even without formations enabled, you'd still have 3x the bombers required (or more) to destroy all targets. On top of that, as-is you still have so many fighters around they have nothing to do after the 40 minute mark (after all the LW planes have been slaughtered). So reduce the number of bombers, and put those slacker fighter units to work DEFENDING the units you do have. You still have enough to lose 2/3 or more bombers and accomplish all goals, it increases frame rates, it gives those allied pilots something to DO, and to me it seems like a win/win/win situation.*



* = allies/axis/slowcomputers


EDIT: Hey, but what do I know, right? I'm just a peon with no experience, eh?

[WxMan]

Originally posted by Valkyrie

Losing 40 % of a force is not fair to the allies period. Its not the LW's god given right to shoot down 100 planes a frame. THis game is so slanted to the defenders its not even funny. Only the LW winers complain about it.

This is more than fair and even a total disadvantage to the Allied side.

Vlkyrie1

OMG  You think losing 40% of the Allies in not fair.  In both frames 70% to 90% of the Axis was lost.  And this was done in the first 75 to 90 minutes of each frame.

The fact that you can even state that this setup favors the Axis is freaking unbelievable when the outcome of not one but both frames states differently. Vlkyrie you should get a reality check