Author Topic: Iran (Read 7747 times)

Masherbrum · « **Reply #60 on:** March 25, 2007, 01:07:29 PM »

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Originally posted by WMLute
It's an HONOR to serve your country. No, you don't get to pick which war to serve in. Quit buying into all the B.S. hype you read about the Iraq war.

Amen Lute.

Soviet · « **Reply #61 on:** March 25, 2007, 03:00:16 PM »

It's not that I don't want to go to Iraq because I'm afraid to die there. It's because I don't want to risk my life for an unjust cause. Iraq never posed a threat to the United States. In fact there's probably a greater threat in Iraq now because of all the insurgents that entered the country after the war began. In a recent poll most Iraqis feel life is even worse off now than with Saddam. Simple fact is Iraq is a massive failure that has cost us billions of dollars and thousands of American lives that did not need to be expended.

I'm not going to spew garbage about "a war for oil" or anything else some might say. The fact of the matter is we were lied to. We were told that Saddam Hussein posessed weapons of mass destruction and that there was surefire intelligence that certified this. We were told that Iraq needed to be invaded to prevent these weapons from being used against the United States. This proved to be completly untrue. Nevermind the fact that we went to Iraq without the initial approval of congress. If our leaders felt so certain that Iraq was a nation we needed to fight then why did they not approach congress first for approval? Now we're left with a burden. With the removal of Saddam Hussein has been left a huge power vacuum which has still not been filled. We're damned whether we leave Iraq or stay further.

Is it an honor to serve your country? Absolutly. I, however, fail to see how taking part in a war which was a complete lie has the same honor as defending your country from an actual threat.

I ask all of you with children between the ages of 18 and 25. Would you want your son or daughter to risk their lives in Iraq or Iran?

Shifty · « **Reply #62 on:** March 25, 2007, 03:09:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Soviet
Just because I signed a selective service card doesn't mean jack, I was forced to sign that card otherwise there would be serious penalties.

You say you were forced to sign the card otherwise there would be serious penalties. Then you say you have the courage to stand up for what you believe is wrong even if you have to go to jail......... If that was the case you would not have signed up for selective service in the first place.

Seems your just spewing bulls**t. Plus to say that the guys that fought in Vietnam were not the real patriots, but the guys that burned their draft cards were? You're priceless.

If the draft comes you're in a jam. You don't have the guts to go, and you don't have the guts not to go. You hit the nail on the head when you said signing a selective service card didn't mean jack. Doesn't sound like anything means jack to you.

Yeager · « **Reply #63 on:** March 25, 2007, 03:12:13 PM »

It's because I don't want to risk my life for an unjust cause.
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If you think its unjust and dont want to be drafted, your either going to:
1) Get Drafted
2) Go to Prison
3) Go to Canada

In your case I doubt if its going to be 1) or 2) for you. You definitely sound like a runner to me. Not that being a "runner" is a bad thing....imagine a giant bunny rabbit coming at you....what are you going to do? Stand there and get cotton balled to death?

Bodhi · « **Reply #64 on:** March 25, 2007, 03:15:10 PM »

Well, apparently Blair is denying the British troops were actually in Iranian waters...

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/25/iran.uk.sailors.ap/index.html

Seems to me this may result ina bit more than the British ignoring it.

john9001 · « **Reply #65 on:** March 25, 2007, 03:15:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Soviet
It's not that I don't want to go to Iraq because I'm afraid to die there.

oh bull crappy, you could be a conscious objector and save lives by being a medic, you don't fool anyone , your a coward, run away to Canada.

oh, BTW there is no draft,so your safe, but some democrats want to reinstate the draft.

Soviet · « **Reply #66 on:** March 25, 2007, 03:19:20 PM »

Thanks for the personal insults. I really appreciate them. I guess being able to disagree is no longer American. That I should bend over and let those in Washington send me where they so desire.

Maverick · « **Reply #67 on:** March 25, 2007, 03:29:09 PM »

Soviet,

You say you are conmcerned about the draft. Please get a clue. As a 25 year old you are far from likely to get drafted, even if the draft were active right this month. They draft from a pool of 18 year olds, if by some fluke they needed more manpower than that age, they'd go for the 19 year olds and so on. In spite of all that, there would be a lottery drawing for the birth dates drafted to serve. Don't worry, you won't be required to serve your country, you can just enjoy the security of living here that someone else provided for you.

If there was going to be a draft, Congress would have to reset the manpower limits higher than they are currently at. The Military is at the number of men now because there are only so many allowed on active duty.

Had you really wanted to serve your country you would have already enlisted or joined earlier, prior to the current conflict so please keep your prortestations about serving to yourself. Your window of oportunity to serve started 7 years ago (assuming you are not lying about being 25) and your enlistment could have been long over before the current conflict started. You seem to have had no interest, willingness or inclination to put your pasty butt on the line for it, so don't start with the summer patriot act now.

Bronk · « **Reply #68 on:** March 25, 2007, 03:31:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
Soviet,

You say you are conmcerned about the draft. Please get a clue. As a 25 year old you are far from likely to get drafted, even if the draft were active right this month. They draft from a pool of 18 year olds, if by some fluke they needed more manpower than that age, they'd go for the 19 year olds and so on. In spite of all that, there would be a lottery drawing for the birth dates drafted to serve. Don't worry, you won't be required to serve your country, you can just enjoy the security of living here that someone else provided for you.

If there was going to be a draft, Congress would have to reset the manpower limits higher than they are currently at. The Military is at the number of men now because there are only so many allowed on active duty.

Had you really wanted to serve your country you would have already enlisted or joined earlier, prior to the current conflict so please keep your prortestations about serving to yourself. Your window of oportunity to serve started 7 years ago (assuming you are not lying about being 25) and your enlistment could have been long over before the current conflict started. You seem to have had no interest, willingness or inclination to put your pasty butt on the line for it, so don't start with the summer patriot act now.

What he said.

Bronk

Soviet · « **Reply #69 on:** March 25, 2007, 03:35:39 PM »

Again misquoting me. I never said I have no desire to serve my country. I have no desire to serve it in these unjust wars. Spare me the "you can just enjoy the security of living here that someone else provided for you." I fail to see how the Iraq war is giving us freedom and security. Those two things we already had and were not in danger.

Furthermore how am I not serving my country by not enlisting in the military. There are plenty of other roles this nation needs. Instead of enlisting I pursued my BBA in Finance and am soon to go back to school to pursue my MBA. If my nation truly needed me then of course I'd serve but I fail to see how my country NEEDS me in a conflict which poses no threat to the US.

WMLute · « **Reply #70 on:** March 25, 2007, 03:37:26 PM »

My oldest will be 15 next month. In 3 years if they choose to join the military I would support them 110%.

Of COURSE Iraq had WMD's. Hell, we sold them to 'em. (duh)

At this point, debatin' the pro's and con's of us going to war in Iraq is pretty much moot. It's NOW a matter of finishing what we started.

Remember at the start of the Iraq war all of the Anti-US people around the world that said the US has no resolve and if you bloody their nose they'll turn tail and run.

It SUCKS that so many people in this country want to prove that to be true.

The animals we are at war with (I say animals because people wouldn't put children in a car loaded with explosives and then blow the kids up in it) would consider us withdrawing as a victory, and they'll be on us like a pack of wild dogs.

It is a question of resolve. Do we have the "will" to finish what we started or not.

If we don't fight the war in Iraq, it will be fought in the West. I GUESS you are "ok" with them blowin' crap up in the States then? We show them weakness and take away the battleground in Iraq they'll bring the fight to us here in the United States.

I would have thought that would be obvious.

Keep the war in Iraq and off OUR streets. The fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq keeps the focus THERE as opposed to HERE. Plus it puts us in a position where we get to kill the bastages by the droves.

Freedom, and our way of life here in the United States isn't easy. Not sure what made you think it was. If you are asked to step up and fight for this great nation it saddens me that you won't. It shows great lack of character and the attitude of a spoiled child.

(edit: reading your last reply... It's not UP to you WHAT war you get to serve in. It IS up to you to honor your country by serving)

Mr No Name · « **Reply #71 on:** March 25, 2007, 03:42:41 PM »

Soviet,

Dissent is decidedly all-american... However, to say that you would dodge your obligation to your country and as a man just because you disagree with the course of action deemed necessary by your lawfully elected officials IS anti-american.

Iran, and indeed Muslim extremists have been waging war against the west since 1979. The problem is, we have only recently started fighting back. Iran has been a MAJOR supplier of bullets and butts to carry out all of these things.

Here is a PARTIAL list of action against the US since 1979:

*** In 1979,the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over

*** During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon

*** In 1981, Pope John Paul II was shot 4 times in an assasination attempt

*** In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up

*** In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked, and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard

*** In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy diver was murdered

*** In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed

*** In 1993 Mir Amal Kansi, an islamic radical from Pakistan murdered 2 CIA agents about to make a turn into CIA HQ in Langley, VA.

*** In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time

*** In 1996 19 Americans were killed and hundreds more woulded at
the U.S. Military complex at Khobar Towers, Saudi Arabia

*** In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed

*** In 2000, The USS Cole was attacked and more than 15 American Sailors were killed

*** On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked and destroyed and thousands of people were killed

*** In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered

*** On July 4th 2002, 2 Innocent Airline Passengers Were Killed, And 3 Others Injured at the ticket counter of El Al Airlines in the LAX International terminal

*** On October 12th 2002 more than 200 innocent civilians (including 200 Australians and 5 Americans) were brutally murdered

We are finally fighting back... if anything, we need to be far more fierce than we have been thus far.

They did this regardless of whatever party held the WhiteHouse or Congress at the time. Soviet... It doesn't even matter what you think of them or this war, They want to kill YOU or your family - regardless of age, race, religion or political affiliation and they are more than happy to end their own life in the process... THAT is what we are dealing with.

ALL the best to England and her captive sailors and Marines in the hands of the Iranians at this time.

Maverick · « **Reply #72 on:** March 25, 2007, 03:47:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Soviet
Just because I signed a selective service card doesn't mean jack, I was forced to sign that card otherwise there would be serious penalties. I find it kind of funny that we can live in a democracy yet still be forced to pick up a weapon and fight for whatever wars our elected officials deem worthy to fight. In vietnam the true patriots weren't those who just went along with the draft but those burned their cards.

I have the courage to stand up for what I believe is wrong. I don't care if I get thrown in jail for it.

Since you seem to think I had quoted you earlier, I 'll just take this post and quote it to show you the difference. I did not quote you saying you had no desire to serve, I merely pointed out that your posts and actions indicated that since your window to serve started 7 years ago, long before this so called unjust war you prattle about was innitiated. It's not any "unjust war" keeping you from serving, it's your lack of desire to serve. You could hav e served as I said earlier. long before this conflict was started and Bush was even President.

First point, yes you were required to register for the draft. Fact is, no one forced you to do so unless you claim they held a gun on you to sign it. You could have stood for your "feelings or thoughts" and ignored it and accepted the penalties as your actions demonstrated your civil disobediance.

You do not live in a Democracy, you live in a Republic with democratic ideals.

You were not forced to pick up a weapon. You were not forced to even look at one. You were not forced into uniform or to serve either much less fight.

Please don't think the country needs you or your MBA. There are plenty of MBA folks so you are hardly a critical item for the needs of the country.

Hap · « **Reply #73 on:** March 25, 2007, 04:10:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Soviet
Thanks for the personal insults. I really appreciate them. I guess being able to disagree is no longer American.

Take heart. "Here" is not everywhere.

Regards,

hap

Bodhi · « **Reply #74 on:** March 25, 2007, 05:08:41 PM »

Soviet,
Disagreeing with another's opinion is absolutely right.

Standing around calling the war unjust is another. It seems that in 2003 congress authorised force. That same congress is now debating retracting that authorisation. They have yet to pass decisive legislation (other than erosion of support) that has retracted that initial decision. If that point comes to pass, then the war can be considered questionable.

Stop reading liberal drivel, and expand your horizons.