Author Topic: Darn Spitfires! (Read 2242 times)

SgtPappy · « **Reply #30 on:** April 23, 2007, 03:09:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Blooz
Quoted "Just don't run in a duel past 2.5 K, as that's just not dueling anymore, it's running."

LOL... did you find this in the AH rule book or something? I don't remember reading it.

The LA7's greatest strength is it's speed and acceleration. If you get into a situation against an enemy or enemies and you see it isn't going your way, leave. That's what flying a faster plane does for you. It gives you the ability to get away, regain advantage then try again or go find another target.

Stop telling the new guys "You must fight everybody you meet until you die!" because you don't.

Unless you fly a Spitfire.

hah i don't know, i really didn't get it anywhere.. but you know what i mean as it's pretty obvious when someone's extending for energy and when someone's got their tail between their legs

but of course, you can disengage and run whenever you need - it just gets boring, you gain little experience, and you lose a kill, but if you're out of options, go run if you feel like it.

and as the others said, HOing is a bad idea. you have so many other advantages to use, so use them. more often than not, you'll out zoom a spitfire anyway so take the vertical into advantage and send him/her packing. it's a 3D world when you're flying a plane. i'll more often find a good Hog pilot more dangerous than a spitfire since most spits are dweebish like myself and aren't all that fast to begin with.

zlehmann · « **Reply #31 on:** April 23, 2007, 04:05:17 PM »

huh i suppose, ive had extremely good success rates with the head ons though. whether its luck or not i dont know but 8 times out of ten my cannons tear the other plane apart before they can get a lethal blow in...although i have lost many oil canisters in the process lol.

Yoshimbo · « **Reply #32 on:** April 23, 2007, 05:49:26 PM »

I find that shooting off the wings is the most effective way to deal with the Spitfire (any model). Any caliber of weapon will do it, 7.7mm, 12.7mm, etc ,those wings will just pop right off!:D

EsX_Raptor · « **Reply #33 on:** April 23, 2007, 06:43:41 PM »

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Originally posted by zlehmann
huh i suppose, ive had extremely good success rates with the head ons though. whether its luck or not i dont know but 8 times out of ten my cannons tear the other plane apart before they can get a lethal blow in...although i have lost many oil canisters in the process lol.

8/10 is never considered luck. =O

Karnak · « **Reply #34 on:** April 23, 2007, 08:23:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
That being said, sometimes you ARE desperate. In a heavy 190a8 vs a spit16 you can't outrun, outclimb, out turn, out roll, or outdive the enemy. You are fully justified in attempting to HO him. That's desperation

Exactly. Other than situations like that, or the other day I was in a heavy Mossie and an Fw190D-9 dove on me and from D5.0 out bore straight in at me, I was ok with the HO. Now, it was an incredibly idiotic thing for the Fw190D-9 to do given the multitude of ways he could have killed my Mossie without me ever have a chance at a shot, but it was a smart thing for me to do.

I won and went on to kill some tanks and a Spitfire Mk Ia

all because the Fw190D-9 pilot was a moron.

SgtPappy · « **Reply #35 on:** April 23, 2007, 09:27:06 PM »

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Originally posted by zlehmann
huh i suppose, ive had extremely good success rates with the head ons though. whether its luck or not i dont know but 8 times out of ten my cannons tear the other plane apart before they can get a lethal blow in...although i have lost many oil canisters in the process lol.

lol i guess if you're comfortabel with it go ahead - but you'll be losing out on learning the magic of E fighting - that and you'll probably here me yelling and whining at you like a moron after you've HO'd me

crockett · « **Reply #36 on:** April 23, 2007, 09:58:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty

HOs are the last resort of the desperate.

Or the only tactic of the unskilled.

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Originally posted by zlehmann

wouldnt use the speed of the La-7 to run, i would use it to extend away from the spits range and then when i have enough space to make a turn to come back head on with him i will. i would never leave the fight, but if i can buy a few thousand meters distance on him so i have time to make my slow lumbering turn to bring my guns to bare i will.

Hence the reason everyone calls LA7 pilots dweebs and noobs. I have nothing against the plane and I fly it from time to time during base defense, but the exact thing you just described is why no one will ever respect you as a pilot in this game.

It takes no skill to run away from a fight, then turn and HO someone. It's common respect out of experienced pilots not to go for a cheap first pass HO or try for continuous HO's failing to commit to a fight.

I'm far from a good fighter pilot but I can just about avoid an HO 99% of the time everyonce and a while I'll get HO'ed because I waited to long to turn or I get hit in a furball other than that anyone who is fairly good can aviod a HO.

I almost for the most part ignore LA7's during a fight, because it's easy to avoid the HO's and I know as soon as I'm on their six they will run away. So for the most part unless the LA7 is in a bad position and I know I can get the easy kill, I just ignore them because it's not worth my time to chase them. No thrill in the kill so to speak.

Learn to turn fight in a plane that takes a little skill to fly and never brag about HOing people.. Makes you look like a noob.

oldtard · « **Reply #37 on:** April 24, 2007, 01:02:56 AM »

The one thing everyone forgot to ask is are you talking about playing in the 8 person areans because if you new to this game you may be playing there and doing the spray and pray thing

zlehmann · « **Reply #38 on:** April 24, 2007, 03:54:03 PM »

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Originally posted by crockett
Or the only tactic of the unskilled.

Hence the reason everyone calls LA7 pilots dweebs and noobs. I have nothing against the plane and I fly it from time to time during base defense, but the exact thing you just described is why no one will ever respect you as a pilot in this game.

It takes no skill to run away from a fight, then turn and HO someone. It's common respect out of experienced pilots not to go for a cheap first pass HO or try for continuous HO's failing to commit to a fight.

I'm far from a good fighter pilot but I can just about avoid an HO 99% of the time everyonce and a while I'll get HO'ed because I waited to long to turn or I get hit in a furball other than that anyone who is fairly good can aviod a HO.

I almost for the most part ignore LA7's during a fight, because it's easy to avoid the HO's and I know as soon as I'm on their six they will run away. So for the most part unless the LA7 is in a bad position and I know I can get the easy kill, I just ignore them because it's not worth my time to chase them. No thrill in the kill so to speak.

Learn to turn fight in a plane that takes a little skill to fly and never brag about HOing people.. Makes you look like a noob.

seriously is there always like 20 guys in every video game forum that yells at someone calling them a worthless newb just because their tactics are different than what they want it to be. i mean seriously if i want to dive HO at you im going to you, and you can whine and whine all you want but guess what ill just do it again...

no one cares what you think is a dweeb newb tactic and at the end of the day i certainly dont care what you think of me, but dont harass someone on a public forum because someone is thinking differently than you, cuz ill be honest i bet there are lots of people that dont think like morons such as yourself.

go flame another forum with your hatin' wannabe

SlapShot · « **Reply #39 on:** April 24, 2007, 05:12:26 PM »

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Originally posted by zlehmann
will it matter that im not a subscriber? i just play on the 8 player arenas.

This would explain his prolific percentage of winning 8/10 HOs ... and his preferred choice to do so.

SgtPappy · « **Reply #40 on:** April 24, 2007, 08:50:30 PM »

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Originally posted by zlehmann

go flame another forum with your hatin' wannabe

One thing i have to respect about you is how you don't let people pressure you - that right there is a good quality. However, Crockett was only trying to explain that he finds that La-7's HOing doesn't make those players any better since HOing Lala's are easy to dodge. Additionally, an HOing La-7 cant really dogfight so if it's caught in one, its screwed. Against a whole bunch of players online, it's fine for you to go ahead and HO if you're being ambushed since it's needed and you've got the firepower to do it properly.

But in duel situations it probably won't get you too far in terms of both gaining kills and gaining experience.

zlehmann · « **Reply #41 on:** April 25, 2007, 12:28:59 PM »

wahhhhhhh:cry

yeah im just frustrated cuz i get killed a lot. i thought i understood the whole energy concept but i think im missing something. i try to enter fights from higher altitudes and a lot of speed, but i always miss my merge and the guy ends up right on my 6!!

anyone wanna tutor a total newb?

SKurj · « **Reply #42 on:** April 25, 2007, 12:51:41 PM »

Thats because you are coming in too fast and do nothing to prevent your overshoot. If its a single badguy with no horde around, try coming in a little slower....

crockett · « **Reply #43 on:** April 25, 2007, 02:40:08 PM »

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Originally posted by zlehmann
wahhhhhhh:cry

yeah im just frustrated cuz i get killed a lot. i thought i understood the whole energy concept but i think im missing something. i try to enter fights from higher altitudes and a lot of speed, but i always miss my merge and the guy ends up right on my 6!!

anyone wanna tutor a total newb?

Hence the reason I was trying to tell you about the HOing dweeb syndrome. I wasn't bashing you, I was telling you out right facts. Most skilled players in this game think of LA pilots as dweeb because usually HO ing is all they have.

I'm not an expert pilot in this game by any means and I do fly an LA on certain times mainly as base defense. It's not a bad plane but it's a easy plane to learn bad habits in. Thats what you are doing now, you are learning bad habits and once you make a few HO's and the guy aviods you. Well you have nothing left unless you run away.

My suggestion to you is this.. Start flying a spit 15 for a few weeks it's a good plane has power and handles great. So it won't be too big of a trade off from the LA7.

Start learning some turn fighting and then switch over to one of the other spits after a few weeks one of the lower powered planes. Like the Spit 5 or Spit 9. Always carry a drop tanks and only use 50% or 75% fuel at max (depends on the plane) Anyway the Spits do pretty good as high alt fighters and as turn fighters so it will give you experience at both aspects in the same plane.

Once you get good with the spits start playing with some of the other planes that take more skill to fly.. (spits are a bit too easy to fly IMO) Start playing with some of the Japanese planes or the American planes and eventually you will figure out a flying style that you do good with and have experience in a nice variety of planes.

A lot of guys will tell you to stick only to one plane when you are learning, but IMO I think it's best to keep trying new planes but stay in that new plane at least 2 weeks at a time while you learn it.

BaldEagl · « **Reply #44 on:** April 25, 2007, 04:30:38 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
This would explain his prolific percentage of winning 8/10 HOs ... and his preferred choice to do so.

Actually I'm about 8/10 on HO's in the MA's but it's usually noobs who start spraying at 1.5K so I'm not sure it really counts.

I figure if they want to test my HO abilities with my FW190 or my Hispano's I'll give 'em a quick lesson.

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