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« Reply #45 on: April 28, 2007, 11:16:00 PM »
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x0847Marine, i can see you have absolutely no idea what saddam did to the people of Iraq.
It looks to me like you are the one in denial John.
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« Reply #46 on: April 29, 2007, 03:48:49 AM »
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x0847Marine, i can see you have absolutely no idea what saddam did to the people of Iraq.


Compare GWBs new "clarified" definitions of torture to what we accused Saddam of doing, the hypocrisy is not lost of the people in the mid east, only here.

BTW if you read through the articles on the Saudis big Al Qaeda bust you've cited as some type of evidence things are not SNAFU, a top Saudi official blames the situation we created in Iraq for Al Qaedas resurgence in the area.

You might also want to Google Iran Air Flight 655 for another reason people in the mid east distrust / hate the US... in case you're unaware a US ship, USS Vincennes, shot down an Iranian air passenger jet killing all 290 on board... they still consider this a blatant attack.

Last but not least, the attack on 9/11 was motivated by what again?.. oh yeah, generations of US F ups in the mid east... but I'm sure the craptastic way our mastermind & chief has skillfully and carefully negotiated this war will win the US lots of good will and stuff more so than ever... besides, who can argue with a Halliburton truck driver earning $120K to do the exact same job an enlisted grunt does for $17K?

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« Reply #47 on: April 29, 2007, 07:23:36 AM »
Xmarine is right ..
the United States must be the "Great Satan" all the camel humpers say it is ... and if we just let those peaceful open-minded people alone they would not want to kill us as they do today .. right xmarine?

ya right - lol
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« Reply #48 on: April 29, 2007, 12:34:21 PM »
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What we have now is a somewhat worse situation than Vietnam.


Vietnam 10 years involvement, 60,000 american lives 1 billion dollars a day at peak (1 billion in 1968 dollars = 4 billion in todays dollars)

Lives, dollars, years....  how do you measure "somewhat"?
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« Reply #49 on: April 29, 2007, 01:37:47 PM »
Under Bush Jrs new definition of "torture"
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not that I am disagreeing with you but can you provide some examples of this?
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« Reply #50 on: April 29, 2007, 01:39:13 PM »
"Somewhat" being not that our biggest loss would be an obscure asian country, and a slight drop in rubber imports.

This time, we are talking about something that could disrupt our primary source of energy (oil) and which could lead to a catastrophe of our own economy.

We can't just pull out of Iraq like we did in Vietnam in '75. When the NV took over in Saigon, The only impacts politically/strategically were that we would only have Japan, Taiwan, and S.Korea as aligned governments in the region. Vietnam, even more than 30 years after, isn't a big player on the world economic stage. The country is still poor. Also, Vietnam was waged due to a clash of political ideologies. The situation in Iraq is more serious. The Middle East is a major supplier of oil to the western world(and now increasingly, China.) You only have to ask yourself, if we have another hostile, unstable government in the region, what the long term effects on the worldwide economy would be. China has been happily supplying arms to the middle east throughout this entire ordeal. They are on good terms with alot of the more belligerent governments. They are also buying quite a bit of oil. With another buyer like China, The Arabs could now cut us off and still have money come in. What would be the impact on our economy? We could have really serious problems, including partial/total economic collapse. Plus, our now chief economic rival, China, would benefit from this.

There is also the difference of political ideology vs. Religous belief. Religion unites the arab states at their foundation, So that no matter what they're differences when the West isn't there, they unite under one banner when we are. The recent Saudi arrests/Cell busts are one indication of this. Now, I will agree that communism does displace religion in it's dogma. But, As time has shown, Communism can and does eventually falter. Islam has been going strong for quite along time now, and it's not likely to run out of followers anytime soon.

I know that Saddam's regime did not seem like a good way to keep a balance in the middle east, but we may need to face facts, that it was the best thing going this side of military occupation.

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« Reply #51 on: April 29, 2007, 02:37:02 PM »
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Xmarine is right ..
the United States must be the "Great Satan" all the camel humpers say it is ... and if we just let those peaceful open-minded people alone they would not want to kill us as they do today .. right xmarine?

ya right - lol


Those "camel humpers" have generations of reasons to dislike the US, if you took 10 min on Google to inform yourself as to why...  reasons behind Iraq being destine for the FUBAR hall of fame would become very clear.

You don't have to agree with why they dislike the US, but what we think is irrelevant because we're not the ones signing up by the 1000s to fight US troops.

BTW I never said they were open minded or peaceful, many are brainwashed religious fanatics who, BTW, act JUST LIKE YOU rejecting any and all US beliefs as irrelevant... you refuse to see the camel humpers POV, and I promise they totally reject anything the great satan people think...

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« Reply #52 on: April 29, 2007, 02:37:12 PM »
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China has been happily supplying arms to the middle east throughout this entire ordeal. They are on good terms with alot of the more belligerent governments. They are also buying quite a bit of oil. With another buyer like China, The Arabs could now cut us off and still have money come in. What would be the impact on our economy? We could have really serious problems, including partial/total economic collapse. Plus, our now chief economic rival, China, would benefit from this.


I don't think China would benefit that much......

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/top/dst/2007/02/deficit.html

Who's going to sustain their growth if no one can afford to buy anything from them...

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« Reply #53 on: April 29, 2007, 07:05:03 PM »
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... you refuse to see the camel humpers POV, and I promise they totally reject anything the great satan people think...


Isn't a camel humpers POV fairly obvious?
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« Reply #54 on: April 29, 2007, 07:58:41 PM »
hmmm, here is some interesting POV's being enforced by our Islamic "Friends"...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6605487.stm

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Iranian television has said the crackdown on un-Islamic clothing has entered its second phase now where mobile police units will patrol Tehran to look for those who are not observing Islamic dress properly



Here's a great campaign picture for Pelosi during her trip to Syria....



It should read.. "I believe in Womens rights, unless I'm in a country that does not believe in it, then I will go along with status quo"..

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« Reply #55 on: April 29, 2007, 08:07:44 PM »
Origanally posted by Soda72

Who's going to sustain their growth if no one can afford to buy anything from them...
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My best Guess would be the EU, Soda. Plus, the Chinese have shown that they can subsist at levels that most of the U.S. would find intolerable.

The chinese have shown to be pretty flexible...I don't know how the U.S. would take to having another Great Depression like we did in the 1930's. We have a much larger population than we did then, plus our manufacturing base has moved overseas. Seeing us fall from Superpower status, or devolve into something like what Russia is today, might be the Benefit that the Chinese are looking for.