Author Topic: Euro Missle Shield (Read 6936 times)

Boroda · « **Reply #30 on:** June 04, 2007, 06:38:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Mr No Name
We should have rearmed the Germans and marched east and punched old uncle joe in the snot locker.

Feel happy that JVS didn't throw your so-called "armies" into the Atlantic as Soviet Marshals suggested. It was estimated as 2 weeks of walking across France and West Germany without any opposition - you guys couldn't ever compare to Germans.

I am not getting really ugly here, or am I?...

Vulcan · « **Reply #31 on:** June 04, 2007, 06:40:23 PM »

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Originally posted by CFYA
Viking........did it ever occur to you that its already stopped ICBMS? It has on more than one ocassion! What more do you need to prove its a viable weapons system?

Alriiiiiiiiighty then, someones been watching a few to many Bond movies.

CFYA · « **Reply #32 on:** June 04, 2007, 06:49:03 PM »

I guess the films, thermal images, and radar data I have seen mean nothing. Maybe that was all a dream.

Ignorance is bliss.

<>......nevermind hardly anyone worth saluting

CFYA

Viking · « **Reply #33 on:** June 04, 2007, 06:50:19 PM »

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Originally posted by CFYA
Viking........did it ever occur to you that its already stopped ICBMS? It has on more than one ocassion! What more do you need to prove its a viable weapons system?

It has not stopped any ICBM, it has successfully intercepted dummy targets. However I have no doubt that it can successfully intercept an ICBM. However no ICBM/SLBM capable nation would just launch one or a couple missiles at the US if it came to nuclear war; they would launch all of them. And such an ABM system would even be overwhelmed by France’s modest arsenal of some 200 warheads. The only protection this system will provide is against a “rogue launch” of a very few warheads. Terrorists don’t work that way, not even in Tom Clancy novels.

Boroda · « **Reply #34 on:** June 04, 2007, 06:54:45 PM »

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Originally posted by CFYA
Viking........did it ever occur to you that its already stopped ICBMS? It has on more than one ocassion! What more do you need to prove its a viable weapons system?

Also why are the ruskies so up in arms if it dont work?

All for a very expensive potatoe gun? Use your brain here.

I know for a fast that this system can kill anything in the air regardless of flight profile. All depends on how much that little target is worth to you.
The missiles arent cheap to say the least.

Do you even know the details of this missile system? What type of warhead? Missile flight profile? Anything?

If you do I will be completely amazed!

Shut up before you kill you comrades in the future.

~~CFYA~~

My distant friend, my military speciality in the Uni was S-200 SAM technical division officer. 250km range, 40km alt guaranteed kill. ABM capability. Special warheads 20 kiloton, called "improved reliability" 5B28-H (Cyrillic). Our sites were the first targets for your Minutemens.

More to say, I live in the world's only city protected by a WORKING missile shield. Capable of intercepting 5-10 warheads, but you guys still can't match it.

And Viking is right. Missile shield is a useless waste of money. Keep paying your taxes for illusionary security, we don;t mind. It's Euros who will be marked as targets for Iskander short-range missiles, so - leave it to them.

Give me a list of US SAM (AA-defense) kills, if there were any. USSR performed a first ballistic missile interception on March 4th 1960. Good 'ol S-75 knocked out your U-2 at 20km alt on May 1st 1960 over Urals. So Bush was quite reasonable asking for assistance.

CFYA · « **Reply #35 on:** June 04, 2007, 06:56:49 PM »

Like this one
THADD

This just one of the many films available to the public.

Like I said do your research.....

CFYA

Boroda · « **Reply #36 on:** June 04, 2007, 07:03:23 PM »

Quick arithmetics:

US is going to deploy 110 ABMs.

A "reliable" launch takes two missiles per target (I don't count incidents like Lybia-86 when colleagues got 2 launches-2 kills). So it's 55 warheads intercepted in ideal conditions. Like 10 Soviet MIRVs. Go dig yourself a shelter, at your own expense, taxes you pay go down the drain.

Viking · « **Reply #37 on:** June 04, 2007, 07:04:34 PM »

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Originally posted by CFYA
Like this one
THADD

This just one of the many films available to the public.

Like I said do your research.....

CFYA

Single dummy targets, not hundreds of incoming ICBM or SLBM warheads with chaff and decoys.

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Originally posted by Boroda
Give me a list of US SAM (AA-defense) kills, if there were any.

The US Patriot system did score a few hits on Iraqi scuds in Israel during the first Gulf War. In the second Gulf War they managed to shoot down a British Tornado. I think that’s about it.

CFYA · « **Reply #38 on:** June 04, 2007, 07:10:49 PM »

Your telephone poles couldnt even hit the SR71. You know how many pilots laughed at your foolish attemps to shoot it down. What about the mig designed to catch it? Failure....

As far as your "missile defense"......dont make me laugh. Those NUCLEAR tipped intercept missiles have a generous kill radius and are not even in the same league as THADD. Your shooting 1 SRBM to kill another SRBM/ICBM. Do you have any idea what it takes to kill one missile using a kinetic warhead?

Oh by the way....one unit has the ability to destroy 16 incoming threats. One hundred or so of these are planned. Yes maybe a few get through, perhaps even a dozen. But rest assured you will be a smoking hole in the ground no matter who or where you are with relativly low losses (for nuclear event)

By the way the US had a nuclear land based intercept missile in late 60s.....old technology.

Your boring me with your absolute lack of knowledge of US missile systems.

CFYA

Boroda · « **Reply #39 on:** June 04, 2007, 07:11:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
Single dummy targets, not hundreds of incoming ICBM or SLBM warheads with chaff and decoys.

50% of Soviet ICBMs payload are chaff, inflatable decoys and active ECM stations.

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The US Patriot system did score a few hits on Iraqi scuds in Israel during the first Gulf War. In the second Gulf War they managed to shoot down a British Tornado. I think that’s about it.

According to my sources (see above, I got into mil education right in 1991) Patriot's kill ratio against Scuds was like 5%. Most of the missiles were so "upgraded" that they blew up on launchers or OTW up. Original Soviet design simply didn't have enough range and payload to reach Israel. "Don't be a scud be a patriot" - another propaganda hook.

OdinGrunherze · « **Reply #40 on:** June 04, 2007, 07:18:04 PM »

I understand national pride, but geez....
In 1945? A confrontation between Red Army and Allied Armies?
So ya think two weeks, before Russian pig farmers could be raping the hot paris chicks huh?
Ivan, Dude, you've been watching too much propaganda.....LOL!!!

soda72 · « **Reply #41 on:** June 04, 2007, 07:19:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Selling SAMs is harmless to anyone but aggressors.

So you agree a missile 'defense' system in Europe is harmless to Russia since it only targets aggressors. Thanks for clarifying

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Originally posted by Boroda
Venezuela pays money, we sell our product. What's wrong with that? Capitalism, isn't it? We don't give our Kalashnikov's automats made in Izhevsk for free.

Try selling cars, tv's, or refrigerators like all the other Capitalists. In the end you might find the world a safer place, and much more profitable..

The rest of your response is not worth my time replying to...

Rino · « **Reply #42 on:** June 04, 2007, 07:20:29 PM »

Well the European missile shield sounds alot more cost effective than
the US variant...how much could it possibly cost to roll over and play dead?

Boroda · « **Reply #43 on:** June 04, 2007, 07:20:55 PM »

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Originally posted by CFYA
Your telephone poles couldnt even hit the SR71. You know how many pilots laughed at your foolish attemps to shoot it down. What about the mig designed to catch it? Failure....

LOL Blackbirds were flying over uninhabited tundra just for fun. Who cares if noone lives there?... S-200 takes 14 hours (officially, noone ever met that requirements) to dispatch from the wheels, noone tried to ruin your games

After Vietnam you guys know that we are experts in AA ambushes, don't you? if you don't - then expect some trouble like in Yugoslavia 1999

LOL yankees teaching bloody ivans about aircraft defense. Ever heard an air-raid siren? I got all my school in the basement bombshelter when i tested a hand siren in the late-80s. when i hear a siren test i really almost drop down "heels towards the flash".

LOL - i needed a third LOL in the beginning of the paragraph

CFYA · « **Reply #44 on:** June 04, 2007, 07:26:25 PM »

The Patriot missile system was flawed but held a impressive record considering it was doing a job it was never designed to do. The intercept rates were from 20 to 30 percent range depending on the threats flight profile and when the target was engaged. The Patriot was design to be a high altitude SAM not a ballistic interceptor.

Whatever sources claiming the Patriot exploded randomly are propoganda in there own right. The Patriot was based on a solid rocket motor that was hardly changed through out the missile systems life and proved extremely realiable.

Yawn

CFYA