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Offline AKH

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« Reply #120 on: June 16, 2007, 12:10:22 PM »
Maybe you ought to read the IPCC reports before you try to debunk them?

6.11 Solar Forcing of Climate

25% due to solar forcing
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« Reply #121 on: June 16, 2007, 12:50:45 PM »
ahh... so now they admit that there is some "influence" from solar forcing and....

They can put a number on it!   unlike co2 that for some reason they can't put a number on oddly enough.  They mention that volcanoes might have some effect too... no number.

How many other natural things are there that they are not looking at and haven't put a number to?

I say man made contribution due to co2 is 2%  give me a better number.

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« Reply #122 on: June 16, 2007, 12:58:20 PM »
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are you saying that man made global warming is very well understood?  that there is no agenda?   How do you explain that they never even brought up the sun until it was too big an elephant in the room to hide anymore?  

dishonest things like "the suns brightness has not changed to any significant amount in eons"   Now they admit that it "might" be 25% of the warming...  sheesh.. it is most likely 99% of the warming.

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No, I'm saying I don't know. I'm saying because I don't know, I will listen and keep an open mind to both sides instead of just flat out rejecting the other sides argument. Man may not be the cause at all but I'm sure we don't help slow it down if we do affect it. You on the other side know for sure since you keep repeating "ITS THE SUN STUPID". In reality though we just don't have enough data to go by to say one way or the other.

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« Reply #123 on: June 16, 2007, 01:00:45 PM »
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Maybe you ought to read the IPCC reports before you try to debunk them?

6.11 Solar Forcing of Climate

25% due to solar forcing



If this was to me, I haven't rejected anything.

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« Reply #124 on: June 16, 2007, 01:07:48 PM »
I would have an open mind on the thing too if the left had not lied about it so much... if they had not made statements to the effect that "it is too important to allow differing opinions on"

stuff like that.. if they were open minded and were acting like real scientists instead of grundgingly admitting something here and there when backed into a corner.

I think it is clear to anyone who is willing to look that the left has exaggerated and lied many times and that the scientists have missled us on purpose... claiming knowledge they do not posses.

I am suspicious.    

If someone says....

ITS THE SUN STUPID

enough times...and I am speaking of the few honest scientists not me, then the religious left ends up having to at least look into it.  

I believe that if we did not protest they would say more and more outrageous things every day... I think anyone who is honest knows this to be true...  it has already happened..  they have said stuff like the ocean will rise 100 ft in the next few decades and that the ice caps are melting or that we are losing total ice cap even tho 90% is in the south and it is thickening.

look at the anger directed at me... it is that way everywhere.   No debate is allowed.

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« Reply #125 on: June 16, 2007, 01:10:49 PM »
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I would have an open mind on the thing too if the left had not lied about it so much... if they had not made statements to the effect that "it is too important to allow differing opinions on"

stuff like that.. if they were open minded and were acting like real scientists instead of grundgingly admitting something here and there when backed into a corner.

I think it is clear to anyone who is willing to look that the left has exaggerated and lied many times and that the scientists have missled us on purpose... claiming knowledge they do not posses.

I am suspicious.    

If someone says....

ITS THE SUN STUPID

enough times...and I am speaking of the few honest scientists not me, then the religious left ends up having to at least look into it.  

I believe that if we did not protest they would say more and more outrageous things every day... I think anyone who is honest knows this to be true...  it has already happened..  they have said stuff like the ocean will rise 100 ft in the next few decades and that the ice caps are melting or that we are losing total ice cap even tho 90% is in the south and it is thickening.

look at the anger directed at me... it is that way everywhere.   No debate is allowed.

lazs


Are you that brainwashed from the right to realize you are the exact same thing for them that you hate about the left? Like I said before, you have to take what the right says and then compare it to what the left is saying and the truth is somewhere in between.

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« Reply #126 on: June 16, 2007, 01:40:18 PM »
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ahh... so now they admit that there is some "influence" from solar forcing and....

Now?  That report was published in 2001  :lol
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They can put a number on it!   unlike co2 that for some reason they can't put a number on oddly enough.  They mention that volcanoes might have some effect too... no number.

Try reading the report.
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How many other natural things are there that they are not looking at and haven't put a number to?

Try reading the report.
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I say man made contribution due to co2 is 2%  give me a better number.
lazs

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« Reply #127 on: June 16, 2007, 01:44:42 PM »
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If this was to me, I haven't rejected anything.


No, it was for lazs benefit.
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« Reply #128 on: June 16, 2007, 01:44:47 PM »
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Now?  That report was published in 2001  :lol

Try reading the report.

Try reading the report.

I say the moon is made of cheese - prove me wrong.


Please tell me you aren't one of those loons that believe we don't in fact have in our posession a sample of exactly what the moon is made of.
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« Reply #129 on: June 16, 2007, 01:48:22 PM »
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Please tell me you aren't one of those loons that believe we don't in fact have in our posession a sample of exactly what the moon is made of.


No, I'm not - just getting into lazs' style of debate  :)
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« Reply #130 on: June 16, 2007, 06:17:32 PM »
Hehehe, Jacka1:
"The climate is changing.
Ain`t that a real news flash."

It was to you a few months ago.....
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« Reply #131 on: June 16, 2007, 08:31:00 PM »
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it is summer, in pittsburgh this morning it is eight degrees above freezing.


Woah woah woah.  Stop the presses!  john9001 has just made a discovery of immense scientific importance, which casts serious doubts on the so-called "global warming theory"!  Someone call MENSA, I'll get ahold of the Nobel committee.

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« Reply #132 on: June 16, 2007, 08:37:26 PM »
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The world does not revolve around you. It revolves around us.

No, it just revolves around the Sun.  The world doesn't give a damn about anybody.

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« Reply #133 on: June 16, 2007, 08:45:16 PM »
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Isn't the universe only like 6,000 years old?

I thought man walked with the dinosars, so couldn't we ask them?

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Stang, it isn't "dinosars", it's "behemoths".  Didn't you learn anything from those Ken Ham vids?

And we can't ask the dinosaurs.  They ate fruits and berries in Eden, but they couldn't talk any better than Chewbacca.  Those big sharp teeth kept getting in the way.  We'll have to ask Fred Flintstone instead.  He would probably have something to say about our "internal combustion engines" and "rubber tires".  Kids these days.

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« Reply #134 on: June 17, 2007, 04:45:49 AM »
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The data before 1800 comes fom tree rings, ice cores, etc.

That we do not have direct data from eons ago adds to the uncertainty of the problem.  How can one be sure that current condtions are abnormal when we are uncertain of the norm?




Sorry ?
You want make a comparison with data measured another way ???

If you can interrelate It simply don't work,it's not statistic it's metrology.