Author Topic: Islamophobia and Salman Rushdie (Read 2802 times)

crockett · « **Reply #30 on:** June 19, 2007, 06:58:10 PM »

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Originally posted by phookat

Fortunately, we have a constitution here in the US.

Too bad our govt has seemed to misplaced it.

I'll have to quote Bill Maher..

"I'm going to start E-mailing myself a copy of the US constitution everyday in hopes the FBI will read it"

Curval · « **Reply #31 on:** June 19, 2007, 07:16:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Sometime in the future that question will probably be met with a resounding "Death to the Heathens!"

Fixed.

Toad · « **Reply #32 on:** June 19, 2007, 11:27:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Momus--

Didn't you have a brain once or are you just trolling?

Still do; it's just a much more polite and intelligent one than the one you are currently using.

Toad · « **Reply #33 on:** June 19, 2007, 11:29:35 PM »

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Sometime in the future that question will probably be met with a resounding "Death to the Heathen Bermudans!"

Fixed.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #34 on:** June 19, 2007, 11:41:42 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
it is time for the last crusade, this time it will not be with knights in armor but with cruise missiles and smart bombs.

The last crusade was 1989 and it had at least one member of the Knights Templar.

VOR · « **Reply #35 on:** June 20, 2007, 05:22:48 AM »

Then did he raise on high the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, saying, "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy."

And the people did rejoice and did feast upon the lambs and toads and tree-sloths and fruit-bats and orangutans and breakfast cereals ...

Now did the Lord say, "First thou pullest the Holy Pin. Then thou must count to three. Three shall be the number of the counting and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the number of the counting, be reached, then lobbest thou the Holy Hand Grenade in the direction of thine foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."

Amen.

Torque · « **Reply #36 on:** June 20, 2007, 10:14:38 AM »

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Originally posted by crockett
I'm more afraid of the Religious Right in America than some Islamic extremist group in the middle east.

the reality of it all, there is very little if any difference between the two groups and their followers.

Gunthr · « **Reply #37 on:** June 20, 2007, 10:46:17 AM »

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I'm more afraid of the Religious Right in America than some Islamic extremist group in the middle east.
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the reality of it all, there is very little if any difference between the two groups and their followers. - Torque

just for starters:

1. honor killing of family members
2. suicide bombing of innocents
3. torture
4. sawing heads off
5. Sharia Law
6. proscriptions against democracy
7. proscriptions against innovation
8. proscriptions against images
9. proscriptions against interest loans
10. proscriptions against social mixing of the sexes

Yeager · « **Reply #38 on:** June 20, 2007, 11:34:03 AM »

the reality of it all, there is very little if any difference between the two groups and their followers.
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jeeze, what can one say in rebuttle to such thinking. Not much.

phookat · « **Reply #39 on:** June 20, 2007, 12:10:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Torque
the reality of it all, there is very little if any difference between the two groups and their followers.

The books themselves are more similar than people would like to believe, but the followers are quite different in the ways that matter, depending on where you are. So in America, Christianity isn't really dangerous (usually, I admit there are exceptions). In Ireland and Rwanda and Bosnia, it is (or was). When you have pictures of the Virgin Mary strapped to the butt of your rifle as you ethnically cleanse Muslims, you have a religious problem. Islam is worse at the moment, because there doesn't seem to be a large group of Muslims who have said "OK, we're going to ignore those barbaric parts of the Koran and keep only the nice-sounding bits", as has happened with a large part of Christianity with respect to the Bible. So it is worse because they are much more free to point to scripture as they commit their atrocities (like Fred Phelps does, but on a much larger scale). And as another example, why haven't the head Mosques of the Sunni and Shia completely condemned the barbaric intra-faith fighting in Iraq? Because they believe this fight is "just". They really believe in the holy warrant for this shamefully medieval conflict.

Toad · « **Reply #40 on:** June 20, 2007, 12:57:05 PM »

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Originally posted by phookat
So it is worse because they are much more free to point to scripture as they commit their atrocities (like Fred Phelps does, but on a much larger scale).

Phelps is a dipshirt and jerk of the highest magnitude but I must have missed where Phelps and his loonies blew themselves up, shot up the neighborhood with AK's or things like that.

Can you link that for me? I suspect you cannot.

tedrbr · « **Reply #41 on:** June 20, 2007, 12:58:49 PM »

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Originally posted by phookat
Islam is worse at the moment, because there doesn't seem to be a large group of Muslims who have said "OK, we're going to ignore those barbaric parts of the Koran and keep only the nice-sounding bits", as has happened with a large part of Christianity with respect to the Bible. So it is worse because they are much more free to point to scripture as they commit their atrocities

Very true. Most of Leviticus, and much of the Old Testament in general from what I gather, pretty much is not observed in most of the Christian world. The Seven Noahide Laws are mostly unheard of, but are officially recognized by Congress (oh, the irony).

In contrast, this has not occurred among most of the Islamic faith, and from what I gather, it is considered "rude" or "impolite" for one Muslim to question how another Muslim interprets or follows his faith, except from perhaps a "holy man" of influence. There is no mechanism for restraint, and conversely a much higher percentage of "fundamentalists" among their populations.

Also, in many regions, many Muslims cannot read their own Koran. They are "taught" what those in power over them wish them to learn --- and if that is a corrupted view of the Koran to suit their own purposes (like strapping on a bomb and killing women and children), then that is what happens. Much of the al Qaeda propaganda is circulated by cassette tape, due to illiteracy.

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And as another example, why haven't the head Mosques of the Sunni and Shia completely condemned the barbaric intra-faith fighting in Iraq? Because they believe this fight is "just". They really believe in the holy warrant for this shamefully medieval conflict.

There are also many more secular reasons for this fighting to be allowed to continue and even encouraged: power. Separating Politics and Religion is not remotely realistic in those parts of the world. They go hand in hand, and politics and political power tends to mold or use religion to their own purposes.

There are many power plays ongoing in the region of the Middle East.

Toad · « **Reply #42 on:** June 20, 2007, 01:02:15 PM »

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Originally posted by tedrbr
it is considered "rude" or "impolite" for one Muslim to question how another Muslim interprets or follows his faith,

Aha! So it IS rude of those Sunnis to question those She-ite interpretations of the Muslim faith using the barrel of an AK! (and vice versa).

Perhaps a few columns by Miss Manners in the local paper could straighten them out.

crockett · « **Reply #43 on:** June 20, 2007, 02:17:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunthr
just for starters:

1. honor killing of family members
2. suicide bombing of innocents
3. torture
4. sawing heads off
5. Sharia Law
6. proscriptions against democracy
7. proscriptions against innovation
8. proscriptions against images
9. proscriptions against interest loans
10. proscriptions against social mixing of the sexes

Yea so how many people have you heard of in South Florida whom have had their head sawed off by Muslims?

"6. proscriptions against democracy
8. proscriptions against images"

Funny you should bring those up..

I happen to know a guy a webmaster buddy whom ran a fairly well known website out of Polk country Florida. You may remember the "scandals" about it as he was a evil doer it seems.

Remember the scandals of US female soldiers posting naked pictures on the net? Or better yet remember all the hoopla about "soldiers trading pictures from Iraq for membership's for a adult website?

Yea the guy whom I've done biz with in the past was locked up had has website taken down and was lucky to get out with only probation. Why because our lovely govt didn't like the "real" un censored pictures and stories getting out of Iraq.

They couldn't go after him because of the war pictures however that's what made him the target. So instead they used the right wing supporters to target him for obscenity prosecutions.

They locked him up and set a ridiculously high bail, only way he was able to "deal" his way out of jail time was to turn over control of his website and go on probation.

His crime.. Running a web fourm that allowed users to share pictures, unfortunately for him many of those users were US soldiers whom also liked to share pictures.

phookat · « **Reply #44 on:** June 20, 2007, 02:44:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Phelps is a dipshirt and jerk of the highest magnitude but I must have missed where Phelps and his loonies blew themselves up, shot up the neighborhood with AK's or things like that.

Can you link that for me? I suspect you cannot.

No, of course not, and I did not imply any such thing. I said "atrocity", not "suicide bombing". The one is a subset of the other. Phelps' conduct is atrocious, hence "atrocity".