The good old days

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Krusty
Removing them puts the action back into the LWAs (where you can still fly EW planes). Merging them boosts the numbers, creating better chances of actually getting a fight you can fly to (and you can still fly EW planes).

Please keep your mitts of EW and LW ... again, don't use these arenas, and those that like to play in these arenas as a solution to the LW problems. As pointed out above, a total of 60+ people is not going solve anything in the LW arenas.

Some of us actually use these arenas for actual combat. Score these arenas separately and it will definately put a damper on the milk-running score potato who think that their score/rank actually mean something when flying in the LW arenas.

I very much enjoy the mid-war plane match up and the balance that this plane set provides. I can fly my favorite early/mid war rides and know that any other plane that I come up against ... I will have a fair and balanced fight.

Flying eary/mid war planes in the LW is just not fun anymore.

If you do get in a tangle in LW, and you reverse the individual you are fighting, they just run away ... for the most part, you can't get away with this in the EW/MW.

If you do get in a tangle in LW, you have to compete with all the late war monsters that your team mates are flying and more often than not, they swoop in on the plane that you just worked to your advantage and pluck the kill ... thinking that they are helping you.

Flying an early/mid war plane in the LW is like the runt pup fighting for scraps.

The LW mentality, at this point in my AH career, is not appealing at all.

[Toad]

Beemer and I switched to the low number side in MW last night and had a very enjoyable couple of hours. There was some decent fighting that went on at a steady pace.

It would have been better, of course, if the CV had been left alone but there are still some... challenged... players that haven't realized that sinking the CV only means a longer drive to the fight and thus their enemies will be higher instead of lower when the engagement comes.

Slap, while I hate to say this, milking a bucket full of rank in the EW/MW does have value in the LW. The high ranked milkers can control CV's in the LW if they milk enough rank in EW/MW. This gives them the ability to sail it right in towards the shoreline and get it sunk.

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Toad
Beemer and I switched to the low number side in MW last night and had a very enjoyable couple of hours. There was some decent fighting that went on at a steady pace.

It would have been better, of course, if the CV had been left alone but there are still some... challenged... players that haven't realized that sinking the CV only means a longer drive to the fight and thus their enemies will be higher instead of lower when the engagement comes.

Slap, while I hate to say this, milking a bucket full of rank in the EW/MW does have value in the LW. The high ranked milkers can control CV's in the LW if they milk enough rank in EW/MW. This gives them the ability to sail it right in towards the shoreline and get it sunk.

I understand that Toad ... that is why I said ...

Score these arenas separately and it will definately put a damper on the milk-running score potato who think that their score/rank actually mean something when flying in the LW arenas.

Really ... in the end, there are only a select few that really know how to command a CV, and those that do milk run the EW/MW for rank are only seeking the "WOW ... he must be real good" accolades and CV control is not part of their "WOW" factor.

Also, part of my post was to point out that our "resources" (those who play in EW/MW) are not going to make a drop in the bucket in LW.

You know all about "resources" ... eh ? ...

[Krusty]

Lusche: Adding them into the LWAs won't necessarily help the LWAs, it will help the folks that were in the EW/MW by actually giving them a fight. Merging the 2 into 1 would also concentrate the numbers making the chance of a real fight much better.

Slapshot: You get the same losers in the EW as you do in the LW. They're just 15k above the fight in perked P-38Gs instead of in la7s. They still run just as easily. The only difference in the EW is that most of the planes are hur2Cs instead of P51s/f4us. I, too, enjoyed the EW (for a short while) and the MW (for a long while), but frankly you can't say "Some of us actually use these arenas for actual combat" because of the 10 folks on at any given time, only 2 are fighting each other. Often times 9 are on the same team.

So, if you don't remove them entirely, at least you still merge the EW and MW into one. Call it "Early War" (because it's still earlier than the LWA's). The EW folks can still fly what they like, and flying a hurr2c against a 190a5 or a 109g2 or a p47d11 or a 110g isn't such a big deal, as compared to the "runners" in the LWAs. You still need to separate the scores/ranks from it, though. It will still be a milkrunning server. However, the few that go there for a fight will actually find one. That in itself is an improvement over the last 20 times I've gone into the EW/MW arenas.

[Toad]

Yeah, I'm going to call HT and see if I can pay more to be a Resource Manager.  

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Krusty
Slapshot: You get the same losers in the EW as you do in the LW. They're just 15k above the fight in perked P-38Gs instead of in la7s. They still run just as easily. The only difference in the EW is that most of the planes are hur2Cs instead of P51s/f4us. I, too, enjoyed the EW (for a short while) and the MW (for a long while), but frankly you can't say "Some of us actually use these arenas for actual combat" because of the 10 folks on at any given time, only 2 are fighting each other. Often times 9 are on the same team.

So, if you don't remove them entirely, at least you still merge the EW and MW into one. Call it "Early War" (because it's still earlier than the LWA's). The EW folks can still fly what they like, and flying a hurr2c against a 190a5 or a 109g2 or a p47d11 or a 110g isn't such a big deal, as compared to the "runners" in the LWAs. You still need to separate the scores/ranks from it, though. It will still be a milkrunning server. However, the few that go there for a fight will actually find one. That in itself is an improvement over the last 20 times I've gone into the EW/MW arenas.

I spend alot of time in the MW and I really don't see quite what your describing. I have only seen a handfull of P-38s flying and when they do, they are used for porking a base.

I don't really care who is higher than me (never have), but if they do decide to engage me in my F6F, and they don't kill me, they have an extremely hard time running from me unless they have gobs of E.

Maybe combining the EW/MW might not be a bad idea, but there needs to be another option other than just LW.

I do agree that the scoring in EW/MW/LW should not be combined in the same bucket. I think that if scoring each arena seperately just might increase the numbers in EW/MW. Those that don't have a chance at getting the "rank" in LW just might try for the "rank" in EW/MW.

All I want is that the option for something other than LW exist ... simple as that.

[Toad]

I definitely think EW and MW should have individual scores.

I also definitely think they should not be merged. There is a clear, significiant difference in performance betweent these two plane groups. I posted when they first opened that there were a couple of planes that really shouldn't be in EW but I won't rehash that.

Suffice it to say that the EW planeset is pretty well matched for good fights. Adding them to MW would ruin that.

[Krusty]

I'd like nothing more than to see 100 folks on at a time in the MW arena


But, since that's just a dream, I like the idea of combining EW/MW more and more, now that I think about it.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Krusty
Lusche: Adding them into the LWAs won't necessarily help the LWAs, it will help the folks that were in the EW/MW by actually giving them a fight.
 

Wow.. thats quite paternalistic, like "You just don't know what is good for you my son."

Ever asked yourself if they WANT that kind of help?
You do already have a choice to go to LWA when you don't find a fight. People visit in EW and MW for various reasons, I doubt it will give them more fun being forced to leave.

[BaldEagl]

While I know it happens, I find the constant complaints about milking in EW/MW funny.  I do ALL my milking in the LWA's.  It's no more difficult there than in EW or MW.  It's actually easier because you get better planes.

I go to EW and MW to find fights.  Sometimes I can, sometimes not but when I do they seem a lot more fun than in the LWA's.  I'd hate to see EW/MW go away, but, I do think they could be combined into one arena and scored seperately from the LWA's.

Side note:  I just thought of this but if they were combined you might want to get rid of the MW perk rides, then perk a few of the others instead to help balance it a little better (lean it toward EW a little more).

[Krusty]

Bald eagl: good suggestion. Shift it more towards late '43 (instead of early '44).

Lusche: It's not a matter of "what is good" it's a matter of "what is bad" -- and what is bad is how the EW and MW work right now. As I said, every time I've gone in either arena for the past 20 attempts, it has been pathetically sad. No fights. No action. Nothing. A dead arena with milk runners and maybe 2 folks actually fighting (or 1 shooting his second account??). That's not in any way a "good" thing.

Perhaps you need to look at it objectively and say "Hrm.. maybe this isn't right". It seems that a lot of folks defend the EW and MW with knee-jerk reactions because they don't want to fly in the LW again. Well, they wouldn't have to if the EW/MW were merged. However much they don't want to fly in the LW, they cannot claim that the EW/MW is a good system, nor can they claim (with a straight face) that it is even an adequate system. It's a poor system.

Keeping the same spirit of it, but having 1 combined arena helps it in several ways (already outlined), and would be a good compromise.

[AcId]

Throw the current scoring system out the window. Let folks play a couple months without any scoring of any kind and see if/how the AH ecosystem evolves. If HTC is not happy with the results they could always put it back the way it was or add a little scoring at a time starting with an overall generic rank based on something that everyone accomplishes whether furballing or toolshedding.

I dunno just a random thought.

[Toad]

There's only 3 stats that matter in the least.

Kills.

Kills/Time.

Hit %.

All else feeds timidity.

[AcId]

Honestly I don't know why they haven't tried altering the score system.
Obviously it's pretty in-depth in tracking as much as it does so there'd probably need to be a lot of #'s put in place and maybe supplemental code to keep AH from generating error's. Overall though, I personally (being nobody at all) think it would be worth it just to see what happens. If it would mean installing a client side patch let folks vote on it, hell let them vote on it anyway if ya think they'd throw a fit over it. If anything else, it'd probably help in that it'd free up some bandwidth and server resources.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Toad
There's only 3 stats that matter in the least.

Kills.

Kills/Time.

Hit %.

All else feeds timidity.

Agree.