Author Topic: If you didn't have to wear..... (Read 1938 times)

JB88 · « **Reply #75 on:** August 23, 2007, 08:19:50 AM »

should an amusement park have the right to make you use your belt and/or stay seated on a roller coaster?

lazs2 · « **Reply #76 on:** August 23, 2007, 08:21:52 AM »

Yes they most certainly should have the right. They should also have the right to have you sign a waver and let you ride without one.

I think you are confusing a private company with the government tho.

lazs

JB88 · « **Reply #77 on:** August 23, 2007, 08:25:41 AM »

how so?

JB88 · « **Reply #78 on:** August 23, 2007, 08:31:26 AM »

why should i have to pay outrageous insurance rates because some moron refuses to care about their personal safety?

why should hospitals have to absorb the cost of uninsured motorists who dont care about their safety?

why should taxpayers carry the burden of lifeflights for the idiots who wont care about thier safety?

why should the others involved in accidents have to spend the rest of their lives feeling crappy because some too cool for a seatbelt guy goes flying through a windshield due to a simple miscalculation or accident that was wholly unintentional?

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Engine · « **Reply #79 on:** August 23, 2007, 08:36:39 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
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I was gonna say outsourced Indian tech support guy but I couldn't make it work

lazs2 · « **Reply #80 on:** August 23, 2007, 08:38:19 AM »

how so what? how is the government and private company different with different powers?

you will not be imprisoned or killed if you don't obey the rules of a private company for instance. Every private company can (or should be able to) make its own rules for people to either abide by or go to the competitors place.

there is no competitor with government. they have an army of police to enforce their rules and they are universal (federal law) or... by state (state law).

you obey or go to jail...if you resist they will club you down or kill you with an army of police.

You choose to go on an amusement ride. You do not need to in any way. your life will not be diminished in any way if you don't.

The few times that I am in a car driven by someone else... if they ask me to wear my seatbelt.... I do. I am in their car and it is their decision. This seems fair to me. I am not paying anything for them to have or operate the vehicle.

If I am in a limmo... it is mine so far as the time I am paying...like a taxi or a bus... I don't have to wear seatbelts do I?

lazs

JB88 · « **Reply #81 on:** August 23, 2007, 08:45:09 AM »

you didn't answer my question.

can the state just throw you off to the side of the road if you werent wearing your seat belt or do they just have to absorb your cost?

lazs2 · « **Reply #82 on:** August 23, 2007, 08:45:57 AM »

jb... if you can tone down the wounded insurance payer hysteria for a moment.

Let me ask you what you did with the huge rebate that the insurance companies gave you when the seatbelt laws passed.

Let me ask you how much your medical insurance has gone down.

asside from that tho.... Maybe it is not a good idea money wise (since that is all you seem to care about) to let people survive car wrecks so that they can live on long enough to cost millions of bucks in medical care in their golden years.

But... I will be fair. You think I cost you money... I think people who can't drive cost money but... forget that fact for now... lets just say that...

Me not wearing a seatbelt has the potential to cost you money due to my chance of increased injury in a wreck... forget that I have private medical.

Ok... fine. I am perfectly willing to check a box when buying car insurance that says "do you wear your seatbelts at all times?"

or.. "50% of the time"

And I am willing to pay whatever increase that will bring in my rates.

I am not worried tho since insurance companies fight over getting me as a customer anyway.. I will just shop around till I find one that says..."hey, he never gets in wrecks... better than the duffus a holes we cover now who crash into everything in sight but wear their belts."

let the market decide.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #83 on:** August 23, 2007, 08:51:53 AM »

and.. of course I answered your question.. such as it was.

Let me reverse it. If you think a private company and government are the same thing (they are in commie or socialist governments).

Then why do we even need government? or... why do we even need private companies.

I also find it ironic in the extreme that an "arteeest" is so pro big government and big government restrictions.

lazs

Shamus · « **Reply #84 on:** August 23, 2007, 10:24:20 AM »

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Originally posted by Ghosth

Now, if my insurance company finds out I'm not wearing it they should have the right to charge me more. But keep the state out of it please.

The insurance industry use's the state to find out these thing's, they have for years.

I find it interesting that baseball and the insurance industry are the only businesses exempt from federal anti-trust laws.

If baseball can get laws passed making it mandatory for all of us to attend or at least watch games they will be on par with the insurance industry.

shamus

Vudak · « **Reply #85 on:** August 23, 2007, 10:59:03 AM »

I wear my seatbelt because I have already felt what it is like to go flying into an airbag without one, and I have already felt what it is like to go flying into a windshield without one. Neither is particularly fun.

As for the rest of you? Do whatever you like in your car, but in mine, you're putting one on. I'd like some insurance coverage to be left over for me too, you know.

Fury · « **Reply #86 on:** August 23, 2007, 01:25:48 PM »

I rarely wore a seatbelt before 1985. I believe the Michigan Seat Belt Law went live in 1985; I recall not liking to 'have to' buckle up for a while.

22 years later, I buckle up every time without a thought. I'd wear it even if it were not a law, because by now it's a habit (and if only to stop that stupid dinging sound my cars use to tell me to put it on).

I guess I've been trained well.

Funny thing is, I never wear a belt in the back seat.

lazs2 · « **Reply #87 on:** August 23, 2007, 02:22:49 PM »

vudak... good answer.. honest.

As I said... if you are driving me then you are the boss.. you decide who wears or doesn't wear em in your car... fair enough to me.

I have been in two wrecks where cars were totaled.. probly everyone here would say that the only thing that saved our lives or at least massive injuries was the seatbelts...

Problem was... no one in any of the cars was wearing seatbelts. I believe the stats are overblown.

But... I do think that I should pay more for insurance if I check the box that says I don't wear em all of the time.

To keep people honest would be easy.. simply have a place on all tickets (moving violations) that said.. "was driver and occupants all wearing seatbelts"

That would get back to the insurance company.

lazs

Mark Luper · « **Reply #88 on:** August 23, 2007, 11:02:05 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2

To keep people honest would be easy.. simply have a place on all tickets (moving violations) that said.. "was driver and occupants all wearing seatbelts"

That would get back to the insurance company.

lazs

Interesting you should write that lazs, the last ticket I got in Fort Worth, Texas did have a little box in it asking that very question.

Word.

Mark

lazs2 · « **Reply #89 on:** August 24, 2007, 08:12:47 AM »

yep... the government has no right to tell people that they have to wear a seat belt.

That is one reason that I fear a socialist medical system. once our health becomes the business of every peta and vegetarian nut job... we will see a trend toward all behavior that is risky being monitored and forbidden by the government...

A government that is run by advocate groups who seldom have your good in mind.

once you can say that you have a financial stake in other peoples health... that you are paying for it... you can tell them exactly how to live their lives under the logic I am seeing here.

lazs