september 4, 07

[xOcet]

very well written..A+

Originally posted by ergRTC
I am astonished at the animosity about this.  The CT (which I was used to, from its inception to its end) was never the perfect place and the AvA is no different.  I love the one on one but truthfully that can only be expected when there are only 3 people in a given area.  Once 4 or more show up it is a time for wingmen (or women).  Expecting a 1 on 1 at that point is silly.  You may get it but you should not expect it or get upset when that doesnt happen.

When vulching and things like that begin to happen, senior AvA people should mention that the fight should move.  When a person is massively outnumbered (except for maha) they should just stop upping for a bit until the other side realizes that is not kosher or fun.

There is no reason to get bent out of shape.  


I remember in the hey day of the VF-27 we would have squad nights in the CT and would often have to send half of the squad to the opposing side due to number issues.  The other option was to begin escorted bomber ops.  That is always great fun.  We would even tell the other side what we were planning and let them try to intercept us.

None of this included getting bent out of shape  (well except for slash, but everyone expected that!).

I think the real advantage of AvA is that you can expect a certain level of maturity and good old manners from most people whereas in the MA you cannot expect anything but pissing contests and rampant muting.  Neither of which was common in the CT unless Shane was around.

[evenhaim]

Originally posted by storch
lol this from the guy who was non stop ranting on 200?  give me a break.

you try and try but you shall not recieve btw i made all of 3-4 comments towards your group on 200 most all civil examples from film:

aww man storch bud, why?

aww kong why you go ruin that fight?

a comment was made to me then i said:

yep nice gang bang

king said: 2 is not a horde

freezman: yep but 4 is. and thas where it ended hardly a rant bud  

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by humble
From the little time I spend there the AVA isnt any different then the CT was. Small fish in a smaller pond more often then not...but there is always hope I guess:)

Humble, we would be delighted if you would stay awhile and lend your experience to the arena.

- oldman

[humble]

Was in a bit over the weekend....

Anytime I see a few folks I'll stop on in...

[evenhaim]

im sorry duke and oldman this thread is out of hand and is putting up a bad image of ava i tried to delete it but it was to late, so henceforth i will not be posting in this thread thanks to the trollers.

[storch]

Originally posted by evenhaim
hey kong im sure you know that what you said was overly elaborated and done and tired on most of the ava folks who see this jg54 team gang shpeel every time, i know many guys in ava that dont enjoy going into the ava to get ganged and or hoed or cherryed you guys can do that in the ma.

were these your typed words?  did you somehow forget you typed them?  now you are passing it off as I'm a troller?  you are funny person, I will give you that.  thanks for the chuckle.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by evenhaim
wow thats not what you were saying last night:rolleyes:
 

Kind of, I think.  Didn't I say don't log off but lets get in hurries and Ho them all?
I can't do the cherry picking though.  I promise I will try lol.  Atlist when a IG54 is on the other side I will do my bets to.  The problem is, the 3 or 4 times I tried to HO someone that day it turned out to be Maha . JG54 aces where in their ack or climbing.

Storch, when  you guys showed up was when the fighting stopped.  The "only" three of you coming in above every one else and jumping on one guy at the same time while he is fighting someone else is not considered "out flying".  The funny thing is you want an for it?

[1cajun]

That's funny Dedalos.     I patiently waited for you and Duke to finish a fight and even dropped alt to merge with you co alt.  No HO to preserve the rules of those who obviously rent the arena from Hitech.

It was a good fight, I thought.  Well flown by you.  However when I gained the advantage on your dead six and blew your wing off I was amazed that I never received a kill message in the buffer.  Must be a glitch.

Good fight man.  

[KONG1]

It warms the cockles of my heart and tears of joy are welling up in my old tired eyes. The nice nannies were killing the AvA but I feel a twitch life in the old cod. This thread is great, it has a little bit of everything.

You got the incoherent banal ramblings of a tardling completely unaware of his intellectual deficiencies.

You got Mr Humble once again popping in to inform us that his personality is more in tune with the dweebfest that is the MA.

You got the white dove of peace flying about as we wonder how lethal an olive branch can be and calculate the perkies for taking it out.

You got straw man arguments, gloves across the face, and some good old fashion smack talk.

You got some poor soul saying "why can't we all just get along" while we play a highly competitive game with no rules where we pretend to kill each other.

Yep, life is good, and all is right with the world....carry on.

[ergRTC]

Kong are you familiar with the "Tragedy of the commons"?

Agreed upon coercion can lead to a far more enjoyable time.  Most of the AvA people agree to live by a set of simple principles that could not possibly exist in the more populous arenas, part of which is not to get upset over trivial things, and not to try and make others upset.  Sadly both sides in this conflict are violating some part of the above.

The fact that the game is violent is meaningless when discussing the behavior of players or their interaction.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by 1cajun
That's funny Dedalos.     I patiently waited for you and Duke to finish a fight and even dropped alt to merge with you co alt.  No HO to preserve the rules of those who obviously rent the arena from Hitech.

It was a good fight, I thought.  Well flown by you.  However when I gained the advantage on your dead six and blew your wing off I was amazed that I never received a kill message in the buffer.  Must be a glitch.

Good fight man.  

And there I thought you let me go land  I could not type to you because I was fighting to hold the plane up and land it at the base with no runway.  The reason you did not get the kill is because I landed it.  Had to go around the field a couple of times and a friendly scared away a GJ54 ace that could not resist a crippled plane  

I send you several for the fight after I landed but got no response. Maybe you had logged by then.  BTW, it was just a wing tip and when you broke off, the only reason you did not get a tail full of lead was that I thought you were letting me go  Ki84s with speed will keep going with wingtip (left i think) missing.  So do spits.

[1cajun]

  I didn't fill you full of lead while you were floundering in front of me because I was trying to keep in the gentlemanly confines of the arena.  Great fight and good job landing it.  

Oh, and Oldman, thanks for the welcome.  You definitely seem to be the voice of reason in the arena.

This thread, as well as others are great when they stick to discussing the pros/cons and future/possibilities of the arena.  However, there are always a few that immediately start denegrating others and thus hijack the discussion from it's productive path.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by 1cajun
  I didn't fill you full of lead while you were floundering in front of me because I was trying to keep in the gentlemanly confines of the arena.  Great fight and good job landing it.  
 

Well, next time do it.  My wrist still hurts from holding rudder all the way back.  I know what you mean about gentlemanly confines of the arena but don't get fooled.  There are non.  Some one did follow me trying to finish me off but got scared when he saw another plane upping and he did not want to get into a 1 vs 1 with him.  

Most, importantly though, I WAS trying to kill you so dieing would have served me right   Good fight btw

[humble]

Originally posted by KONG1
It warms the cockles of my heart and tears of joy are welling up in my old tired eyes. The nice nannies were killing the AvA but I feel a twitch life in the old cod. This thread is great, it has a little bit of everything.

You got the incoherent banal ramblings of a tardling completely unaware of his intellectual deficiencies.

You got Mr Humble once again popping in to inform us that his personality is more in tune with the dweebfest that is the MA.

You got the white dove of peace flying about as we wonder how lethal an olive branch can be and calculate the perkies for taking it out.

You got straw man arguments, gloves across the face, and some good old fashion smack talk.

You got some poor soul saying "why can't we all just get along" while we play a highly competitive game with no rules where we pretend to kill each other.

Yep, life is good, and all is right with the world....carry on.

LOL

I wouldnt call anyone else a dweeb:)...

what freeze described has been SOP for a certain subset of CT/AvA players for a long time. I find it hilarious that said group doesnt ever seem to fly the FSO where they could but there "skill" to the test in a controlled historical enviornment. Instead you hide behind the type of drivel you posted above.

Obviously there are a number of great sticks who fly in the AvA at least some of the time. And I have no doubt that even some of the "small fish" have a reasonable or even above average skill level. Its the mind set I find unappealing. I could care less if a "friendly" asks for help in an EVEN one on one in an AvA enviornment if you have low numbers. This does not equate to a dueling enviornment. We used to let folks up and clear the ack all the time in the CT. If the aggressor won then usually the next guy had alt & E...and so it went...if a second guy came in it went to a 2 on 2...as sides grew numbers mixed but if it got to more the 7 on 5 or so a guy switched...

What we had were good sustained fights. As the CT squads formed this changes and never went back. Anyone who uses the "I was asked" logic to jump a fair fight is a dweeb...and so is the guy who asked him.

[storch]

we did fly FSO.  I personally found it to be as much fun as watching paint dry.  I can see why you would like it though.  you may want to develope the forthrightness to just call a spade a spade.  a post like the one above exhibits your temerity in things.  in the interim we do very well as a squad and despite the outright lies posted by dedalot and others in here you will find us at about 8k and usually in the hardest to play in planes.  last night after FX repeated HO'd I got a little tired of his spitty/woobieness and upped a Gay6M.  he quit being such a nuisance after that.

I'm getting tired of the 200 crap and may start responding in kind too.  it's been two solid days of nothing but guff from you sore losers.  my suggestion is buck up and leave 200 alone because I'll make you all cry again you weak and timid souls you.  there is no need for that and notice that as usual it is not me or JG54 that starts.  if the staff allows the you whiners to do it they better allow me to do it as well.