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Offline Tigeress

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« Reply #210 on: October 06, 2007, 06:24:50 AM »
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Angus you just don't 'get' it the same way someone from around the globe doesn't 'get' all the subtleties and bits and pieces that make the a different culture's whole what it is, why it is; sometimes even when they've been right in the medium for a long while.
Apparently you've got a good grasp of all that lazs said but not why he said it.  A ton (understatement) of stuff about the french is said in US perspective on this board, the facts of the matter, though, go mostly unknown.  No one knows, no one gives a ****, because the model fits the facts well enough (****ty model, ****ty handle on the facts will give that illusion) that it's taken for granted the model is correct.
I suspect the same is true for Boroda, even accounting for the probably accurate commie boozonics factor, not enough of the truth is known to make a sufficiently accurate picture.
You can't see the point Lazs is making Angus. Maybe you should just give up and stick to stuff compatible with your sensibilities..

Tig, have to go back and wing with Joe, will answer later :)
No matter how much lazs has stirred things around, I have always found his point is made clear in the end.. no matter the means it is always there to be made.


It's no fun to be dismissed on the basis of being French, is it? Or... being a woman. Or... being a this or a that.

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« Reply #211 on: October 06, 2007, 06:27:55 AM »
Like english humour then?
I think I pretty well grasped Laz's points of the females. Intelligent and mischiveus as they were. Since my responds were somewhat harsh, they were bound to bring some replys.
And yes, a lot of subtle stuff floates unnoticed by. Many should perhaps just give up and stick to stuff compatible with their sensibilities......
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #212 on: October 06, 2007, 07:29:47 AM »
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Like english humour then?
I think I pretty well grasped Laz's points of the females. Intelligent and mischiveus as they were. Since my responds were somewhat harsh, they were bound to bring some replys.
And yes, a lot of subtle stuff floates unnoticed by. Many should perhaps just give up and stick to stuff compatible with their sensibilities......


Ahhh... yes I know you do!

And, you get the heart of the matter... get to the point... as Laz is fond of saying. You speak in a language so he understands. I doubt he will even read more than 20% of my post to m00t before his eyes glazes over and just sweeps it away with a one liner. hahahahaha ...and tells me to get to the point. That is what people do to avoid an elevated intellectual exchange. Sorry... that's how I write.

I am seriously impressed by all you men. There is a lot of respect to go around.

I mentioned Moray specifically because Laz's demenor changed dramatically when Moray showed up on the scene and smacked him.

It seems those two have engaged each other before and Laz apparently has an appreciation of Moray's apparent historical power of ownage of him in the past. He didn't seem to afford that respect to anyone else in spite of the validity and power of their arguments.

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« Reply #213 on: October 06, 2007, 07:59:43 AM »
Now we just need to bring up the points where women excel. Many come to my head. One can actually make a nice funny fact collection of those. Okay, - for starters....:
- While men are indeed the physically stronger gender, their survivability in some cirkumstances is lower. One example is very cold water.
- While many men boast of their resistance to i.e. pain, they have yet to venture into the ballpark of childbirth. Woman's pain barrier is normally higher.


Then there is the field of the spirit above the body.....
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #214 on: October 06, 2007, 08:09:36 AM »
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Now we just need to bring up the points where women excel. Many come to my head. One can actually make a nice funny fact collection of those. Okay, - for starters....:
- While men are indeed the physically stronger gender, their survivability in some cirkumstances is lower. One example is very cold water.
- While many men boast of their resistance to i.e. pain, they have yet to venture into the ballpark of childbirth. Woman's pain barrier is normally higher.


Then there is the field of the spirit above the body.....


Yup... and to that I can add... females make better combat pilots, all other things being equal.

Our brains are wired to be truly multi-tasking... and the lack of being ego bound allows for clearer thinking in certian situations.
We are team oriented much more so than the male lone-wolf.

What we lack in pure male aggression is offset with a serious "Mother Bear" behavior. Anyone who disrespects the power of that is a fool.
Evoke that and we will savagely fight to the death... honor be damned.
I look upon my wingmen and my country as a mother bear would her cubs.

"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."
What many of us consider scorn eludes many men.

What we do here is a game. In the real world, anyone who attacks my wingman is going down... and I mean down.
If circumstances allowed I would follow that sucker down after his wing is blown off just to put rounds into his canopy.

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« Reply #215 on: October 06, 2007, 09:20:53 AM »
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Iron, Moray is one of those big heads that knows a lot but apparently lost his sense of impartiality... He can't even recognize what Lazs actualy thinks and means.  So he's in fact very honestly sure of himself that Lazs is indeed a [redneck/biker/criminal/etc] that behaves as he does for the reasons Moray best guesses ("Little lonely?", which probably says more about Moray than Lazs), and will go as far down that mistaken path as the thread allows (lock can't be too far away now).
Same with Angus and to a lesser degree Tigeress.

Rolex said it a while back to the sound of crickets, but truly, if you can't see through the eyes of the other, you're sorta stuck on stupid :)



Sir, I've treated laz with complete impartiality time and again, and yet he consistently falls back into this attack mode of some sort.  This time it was my sexuality, which he knows zero about.  I am very happy with my life and definately not lonely.  Laz's exact quote was that I stood up for Tigeress's view and the view of women's rights so I could try to get laid.  You need to read more than just one side to get the whole of the story.  Whatever.

 Fighting online is like winning the Special Oympics...sure you won... but you're still a retard.

The views contained within this thread are antiquated and don't belong in modern thought.  You should try telling it to the families of the 100 or so female combat KIA's of this "war", and see how far they shove a flag up your arse.

The question is PEOPLE'S RIGHTS... not women, not gays, not black, red or yellow.  When you treat any group as distinctly different and not worthy you grease the slope for someone else to treat you the exact same way.  You have definately missed the point of freedom and democracy, and self determination.
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« Reply #216 on: October 06, 2007, 09:27:19 AM »
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Ahhh... yes I know you do!

And, you get the heart of the matter... get to the point... as Laz is fond of saying. You speak in a language so he understands. I doubt he will even read more than 20% of my post to m00t before his eyes glazes over and just sweeps it away with a one liner. hahahahaha ...and tells me to get to the point. That is what people do to avoid an elevated intellectual exchange. Sorry... that's how I write.

I am seriously impressed by all you men. There is a lot of respect to go around.

I mentioned Moray specifically because Laz's demenor changed dramatically when Moray showed up on the scene and smacked him.

It seems those two have engaged each other before and Laz apparently has an appreciation of Moray's apparent historical power of ownage of him in the past. He didn't seem to afford that respect to anyone else in spite of the validity and power of their arguments.

TIGERESS


Women do understand alot more than  you other guys give them credit for.
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« Reply #217 on: October 06, 2007, 10:41:06 AM »
well..  I think that both moray and tigress are proving my point... scratch morays metrosexual PC veneer and a man starts to emerge...

tigress... watches this and has not a clue as to what is going on.. she gets confused and nervous..  tries to calm it down.. tries to pretend here hero is not just a man under all the talk... what does she want?  she wants to make us stop... to act more "sensible" less like men... more like women and more into security over agression and freedom.

moray.. as usual.. is offended by what I say.. he takes it personal even tho he probly didn't understand what I said...  he starts the sex thing and then acts like a victim when it goes back at him...

In the past... it has been the same... global warming... he can't come up with a good arguement so he attacks and puffs up and claims that it is too complex for anyone not educated as he is to understand.   This is... to me...addmiting defeat.

sooo... tigress admits she doesn't understand the real man under the surface except that... she can see it happening and... well... doesn't like it... she would pass a law against it if she could... "boys... don't fight!"   that is pretty much what I am saying... that  is pretty much why voting is not a good idea.

women are always willing to trade freedom, especially personal freedom... for security and peace.

moray is just a suckbutt and background noise.. he is simply trying to smoooze the women and sound modern but under it.. he is more driven and egomaniacal than anyone.. more prone to anger.   More prone to one up..  if you have sex once a week he has it ten..  he can beat you up... he has a better education and swimming in the ocean... he knows secrets about global warming that only a man who swims and has a ten year old degree could understand.

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« Reply #218 on: October 06, 2007, 10:45:28 AM »
Tigress:
"Our brains are wired to be truly multi-tasking... and the lack of being ego bound allows for clearer thinking in certian situations.
We are team oriented much more so than the male lone-wolf.

What we lack in pure male aggression is offset with a serious "Mother Bear" behavior. Anyone who disrespects the power of that is a fool.
Evoke that and we will savagely fight to the death... honor be damn.


A mother fighting for her cubs is in the fight with her heart. So will a true father be.
I have 2 little toddly daughters. They have no idea about what papa would be able to get into for protecting them as well as their rights, such as voting when they have the age for it.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #219 on: October 06, 2007, 10:53:14 AM »
and tigress... you are not that far off on the "Renaissance Man" thing... I may be, as I understand the meaning of it but..

others.. have said I was a prehistoric... that would not really be accurate in my opinion... I am more of the mid 19th century man type.. the "Renaissance Man" does fit I guess there but..

In that time period.. there were not really enough women to go around in the west... There were no.. or almost no.. rapes... women could walk the street by themselves at any time of day or night unmolested..  men were careful not to curse in front of them or be beaten by other men seeing it.   men tipped their hat and carried packages for women.

contrast that with what our PC culture and womens rights groups have given us.   I would fit quite well.  

as for picking your heroes... You show a poor... and totally expected lack of judgement in men... if you read moot (and me) you would know that moray pretty much comes out the buffoon and blowhard in every exchange we have..  I almost feel sorry for him... so much for the history... look back on the global warming thread if you don't understand... he pretty much gives up and resorts to "well... I'm just better than you"   That is fine but only if it is true... only if you have some proof of that.  he never does.   I am glad his sex life is good tho.  Imagine what he is like when it isn't!

women don't know men.. you prove my point as well as the women who marry scumbags on death row prove it.   If they are nice to you or if they say the things you want to hear.. they are good guys...  we know better.. and... since, like it or not, the country is full of men who are in control... letting you vote on them is not a great plan for weeding out the scumbags.

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« Reply #220 on: October 06, 2007, 10:59:42 AM »
Whoa, just looked at the thread. Lazs, why don't you just go out and have a cup of tea before you post again?

I see Tigress posting very good points. And I see you now loosing your head.

So come on dude and be civil. A man. Not an obsessed person shouting " what does she want? she wants to make us stop... to act more "sensible" less like men... more like women and more into security over agression and freedom. "

Who is "we"? there? Is it us guys? Because I do not want me to be in your park there. And I do indeed pick security over agression, since agression will either be successful or not, while security does not have to conflict  with sensibility or freedom at all!


Oooops. This might be an issue of opacity....
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #221 on: October 06, 2007, 11:00:12 AM »
angus and tigress... no matter how much you make them human like... bears are not people... no other animal is like a human.

It is amusing tho that you accept hardwiring in animals for survival but not for humans.. you can't have it both ways.   Humans are right up there with bunny rabbits and mice so far as ability to defend themselves against other animals... except.. we have brains.   We are not "bears".  we are weak with the female of the species being laughably weak and lacking in agression and muscle.

fitgher pilots...prime ministers... race car drivers...  what kind of world would it be if no women ever made it out of the mold?  that doesn't mean the mold is broken.. it just means some tiny little group breaks from their nature and has the talent besides.

name the top 1000 fighter pilots of all time..  then the next thousand.. the top leaders of all time.. the top race car drivers... to say that women are "just as good" is just plain stupid...it is to ignore the facts and history right in front of your face.  it is to take the freak and present them as the norm... insane behavior.. driven by nothing more than a desire to be PC.

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« Reply #222 on: October 06, 2007, 11:07:34 AM »
angus... I am not "shouting" and I am being perfectly reasonable and polite.   I am pointing out that you and her and moray are making my points for me.

The men here love a fight... tigress wants to make it against the law... if she could..  Hell... come on..

How many men here would love to see me and moray rent a ring and have at it?

even more to the point.. how many men would love to simply see one of us get in a good zinger and humiliate the other right here?  of course you would unless you lack the testostrazone god gave us.

It is fun and..  it works.   mostly it works.. respect is gained or lost based on how it is handled... it is the manly way... moray can't even help himself... he is easy to strip the veneer from.  he is perfectly willing to prove my point...to jump out of character.

to your credit tho angus.. you are pretty consistent.. the clueless straight man... I don't think it is because you are not bright... I most certainly think you are... I just think it is a cultural and language thing.

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« Reply #223 on: October 06, 2007, 11:07:37 AM »
"name the top 1000 fighter pilots of all time.. then the next thousand.. the top leaders of all time.. the top race car drivers... to say that women are "just as good" is just plain stupid...it is to ignore the facts and history right in front of your face. it is to take the freak and present them as the norm... insane behavior.. driven by nothing more than a desire to be PC."


Now you are being plane silly.
While women did not have the opportunities the vote, fly, race, how could they compete?
In the cases they had the opportunity (such as USSR female pilots, as well as LW ladies etc) they did well.
Facts are that you will not have a woman winner in a race where no women are allowed.
In front of YOUR face I will say that I think you are afraid of women's rights.

Chao
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« Reply #224 on: October 06, 2007, 11:16:35 AM »
Some ladies that managed to have the opportunity for a fight:
http://www.acesofww2.com/soviet/Women.htm

Must have made it easier for them as well as increasing their efficiency to hav "Laz's" around telling them they were impossible for the job because of the many flaws related to their gender...
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)