FDR and the Devil

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by lazs2
which begs the question... if the wall was built because of some crisis in the 60's... why not tear it down after the crisis?

And yes.. we all know that jews were able to leave the enlightened soviet union if they had no skills that were "needed"... you guys don't much like jews do you?

To say that the walls in the soviet union were built to keep people out is insanity.

To say that we are going to build a wall to keep people in is insanity.

I have always said tho that the employers of illegals are the problem.  Arrest em and any that have been proven to break the law knowingly should get a mandatory year in prison... where they would be surrounded by former employees oddly enough...

lazs

I very much agree with you Laz.

In the case of illegal Mexican labor in the US... it’s about money... ...the cost of doing business, in my view.

Why? Because they would loose that labor pool and could no longer operate unfairly, competition wise ...on the cheap.

IF... all illegal Mexican labor was deported tomorrow and kept out... it would have a ripple effect in the US economy... there would be some businesses that would go under... and others than would loose their competitive edge... and lower skilled level American workers would have to be re-employed to fill the gap... and add their contributions to the IRS.

It reminds me of history classes... issues of contention in the American Pre-Civil War era.

TIGERESS

edit: opps... just read prior posts... I don't mean to start a thread high-jack.
...will stay on topic if I post again here.

[Angus]

Originally posted by Yeager
because he gave the USSR eastern europe.
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FDR could not have given them what he did not own as his own.  If you want to play "pin the blame on the donkey" you could just as easily blame Truman.  Fact is that the USSR had just lost 20 million people to Hitlers european invasion (ww2), and had previously lost several million to an earlier european invasion (ww1), and had been invaded by europe on several earlier occassions.......(Napolean to name one).  The USSR finally had the military muscle to build a "NO MORE INVASION" fence.......I cant say that I blame them.  Europe had caused Russia tremendous grief and they finally had the strength to say "enough of that invasion crap already".

Try to think outside the box man, no one person has the market on reality cornered.  There are other larger perspectives available to the mind that seeks a greater knowledge.

FDR buckled to Stalin on the Polish deal. Churchill was quite pissed off, for Britain had entered WW2 on the deadline of Poland (remember, the UK declaired war on Hitler, Hitler declared war on the USA some 2 years later).
IMHO, no political leader on a large scale comes through the job without a blot. This IMHO was Roosevelt's biggest one, - and I think he got through difficult times rather well. FDR

[lazs2]

tigress.. I think that both parties would like us to believe that we can't get by without illegals mowing our lawns or doing sub quality roofing or landscaping..

That is the big lie.. they can't get along without the hispanic vote..

years ago we were told that we couldn't get along without illegals.. that tomatoes would cost $5 apiece if there were no slaves to sort them.. there were up to 40 on each truck sorting...

When the brasero program ended and the slaves got minimum wage...  John deere simply invented a sorter that was by light... now.. the same equipment is being used but by only 2 mexicans.

Things might go up briefly while we adjust but...  they will soon get competitive again and... we will have better product all around with less crime and less drain on our system.

Make 12 million legal and you will have 30 million illegals in two more decades... let em vote and you will never see a politician stand up to them again.

lazs

[lazs2]

And yes... it will work.. no new ones will come if there is no work.

And yes... CNN and MSNBC will run tear jerker stories with film of children being torn out of the arms of their criminal parents and all sorts of cruelty and pain.

It has to be done now or the patient will die.   The longer we wait the more pain.

Have any of you ever went to the doctor or a hospital?   What would happen if we made a law that no doctor could give any treatment if it caused the patient pain?  If CNN and other commie stations went to a hospital and filmed the pain every day?

lazs

[Angus]

In our "simple" society, we have had an increase from <2% to almost 10% of our workforce in just a dew years (<10). It goes without trouble, and be reminded that most Americans trace their ancestry to people that once were immigrants....

[lazs2]

angus... that is fine... if it is ok for them to break laws and that makes it fine for me to break laws I don't like then I am all for it.

If we had the level of social services for the illegal aliens that was available for the legal immigrants of this country back when they came it would be fine.

To simply open up a store and pretend the tourists aren't stealing everything every day tho is not too smart.  If all the stuff is bolted down tho... who cares?

Our stuff isn't bolted down tho... it is low hanging fruit (to mix metaphors here).

lazs

[Yknurd]

Originally posted by Angus
In our "simple" society, we have had an increase from <2% to almost 10% of our workforce in just a dew years (<10). It goes without trouble, and be reminded that most Americans trace their ancestry to people that once were immigrants....

You used the Liberal Move #376b also know as the "Your Ancestors were Immigrants Also" card.

The counter to it, also known as Using My Freaking Head or The Truth Hurts or Realism, It's Not Your Mother's Delusion, is that by and large our ancestors came to this country legally and intended to assimilate.

A large percentage of those coming in illegally do not wish to assimilated.  Indeed, La Raza wants to reclaim parts of the U.S. for Mexico.  Kick everyone else out.

Many of these people do not learn the language, force legislature for instructions in Spanish, do not pay taxes, take advantage (in the true sense of the word) of Medicare, and now can get driver's licenses.

That's not jumping into the melting pot.  That's pouring it out and then once the pot is righted, jumping in and claiming, "Mine!".

[john9001]

Originally posted by Angus
be reminded that most Americans trace their ancestry to people that once were immigrants....

Agnes, them was LEGAL immigrants.

[Chairboy]

c/o http://xkcd.com/

[Toad]

A detail often (deliberately?) overlooked by the champions of illegal immigration.

Toad
Grandson and Great-grandson of legal immigrants to the US.

[storch]

big deal Toad.  I'm a legal and naturalized citizen.  the status of the individual means nothing.  while I favor legal immigration the fact that there are millions here illegally and will continue to remain as well as the fact that millions yet unborn will make there way here is irrefutable.