Iar-80

[Ack-Ack]

From everything I've read, this was a pretty decent ride.

Specifications
Engine K14-1000a 14 cylinder air-cooled double-row radial, rated at 1000 hp.
Powerplant similar in design to Gnome-Rhone.
Construction Cantilever low-winged monoplane with semi-monocoque rear fuselage and welded steel tube forward and center sections.
Maximum Speed 317 MPH {510 KmH} at 13,000 ft. {4000m}
Climb to 1000m 1 minute 20 seconds
Climb to 4000m 5 minutes 40 seconds
Range 940 km
Dimensions Wingspan: Given as 10-10.7m {32 ft 1 in}
Length: 8.9m {32 ft}
Height: 3.6m {11ft 10in}
Wing Area: 16 square meters
Weight Unloaded: 1780kg
Loaded: 2250 kg {5040 lb}
Armament IAR-80: 4 to 6 Browning FN 7.92mm Machine Guns, or 4 Browning FN 7.92mm Machine Guns and 2 Browning FN 13.2mm Machine Guns. IAR-81: 6 Browning FN 7.92mm Machine Guns or 4 Brownings and 2 Mauser {or Ikaria} 20mm Cannons. Ceiling 10500m {34500 ft}
Variants IAR-80 4 FN 7.92 guns in wings-50 built
IAR-80a 6 FN 7.92 guns-90 built
IAR-80b 4 FN 7.92 guns, 2 13.2mm cannon, new radio gea-31 built
IAR-81 6 FN 7.92 guns, 1 250kg {550 lb} C/L 4 50 kg. {110 lb} U/L-50 built
IAR-81b 2 20mm Oerlikon {MG FF}, 4 FN 7.92 2 drop tanks-50 built
IAR-81c 4 FN 7.92 guns, 2 20mm. Mauser MG 151 wing hard points-38 built
IAR-80 D.C. Two-seat trainer, used until 1952


ack-ack

[sk4t3r]

nice specs...i wouldnt mind seeing this one in the game

[Motherland]

I dont know... there are some more heavily produced fighters I would rather see *cough Yak series cough*.

[Scherf]

Treize should be along sometime soon.

("It's pronounced 'trays'!")

[rogerdee]

From what i have read about the aircraft the allies thought it was a joke  and they could easiely handle them if encounted.

suppriseling they were given a shock when they meet them.

I would love to see something like this in the game,although getting the corect data might be hard and geing good origional pictures and stuff

[Bosco123]

yo know I like things that look like the 190 series, but I still have to go to the italian airforce. I still want that G-55 in this game

[Treize69]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Specifications

Armament IAR-80: 4 to 6 Browning FN 7.92mm Machine Guns, or 4 Browning FN 7.92mm Machine Guns and 2 Browning FN 13.2mm Machine Guns. IAR-81: 6 Browning FN 7.92mm Machine Guns or 4 Brownings and 2 Mauser {or Ikaria} 20mm Cannons. Ceiling 10500m {34500 ft}
Variants IAR-80 4 FN 7.92 guns in wings-50 built
IAR-80a 6 FN 7.92 guns-90 built
IAR-80b 4 FN 7.92 guns, 2 13.2mm cannon, new radio gea-31 built
IAR-81 6 FN 7.92 guns, 1 250kg {550 lb} C/L 4 50 kg. {110 lb} U/L-50 built
IAR-81b 2 20mm Oerlikon {MG FF}, 4 FN 7.92 2 drop tanks-50 built
IAR-81c 4 FN 7.92 guns, 2 20mm. Mauser MG 151 wing hard points-38 built
IAR-80 D.C. Two-seat trainer, used until 1952


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That should say-

IAR-81 6 Browning FN 7.92 guns
IAR-81A 4 Browning FN 7.92 guns and 2 Mauser or Ikaria MG/FF 20mm cannon

The 81, 81A, and 81B were all JaBo version that could carry the same bombload. The C was built as a fighter, with the shackles and attachments modified to take a small DT under each wing.

The 80 with a pair of 13mm MGs was more of a later up-gun mod than a factory version. The slight difference in wingspans noted above is due the the fact that the wings were lengthened slightly beyond the ailerons (the very outer section of the wing, before the rounded tip) during the 80A run.

The whole series had a wingloading of around 27ft/sq.in., as compared to the SpitV which had a loading of 24 pounds, the Yak 9 which had 37 pounds, and the P-51 which had 47 pounds. It might be relatively slow, but the thing could turn on a dime, and probably had excellent low-speed handling for those on-the-deck furballs of the Eastern Front. Its biggest drawbacks were speed and low numbers, but even then a substantial number survived the war.

I still say the best versions to do for AH would be the 80A, 81A, and 81C. 80A and 81A could be used in the EW setup, 81C from the MW on. I still have the goal of accomplishing a feat no IAR pilot actually managed during the war- to shoot down a P-51. They got lots of P-38s and bombers, but no Mustangs.

[Treize69]

Originally posted by Scherf
Treize should be along sometime soon.

("It's pronounced 'trays'!")

I knew my ears were burning today.

[Scherf]

[Bino]

Thumbs up!

Although, with the pilot sitting entirely behind the wing, seeing over that long nose while landing must have been nigh on to impossible.  If we *do* get this ride in AH, make sure that you have rudder pedals, so you can side-slip down to the runway threshold.

[Airscrew]

Originally posted by Bino
Thumbs up!

Although, with the pilot sitting entirely behind the wing, seeing over that long nose while landing must have been nigh on to impossible.  If we *do* get this ride in AH, make sure that you have rudder pedals, so you can side-slip down to the runway threshold.

Probably similar to the Corsair

[Masherbrum]

Treize and I have been pushing for this ride, for a long time.  

I'd rather see this, than a "duplicate".

[Treize69]

Originally posted by Bino
Thumbs up!

Although, with the pilot sitting entirely behind the wing, seeing over that long nose while landing must have been nigh on to impossible.  If we *do* get this ride in AH, make sure that you have rudder pedals, so you can side-slip down to the runway threshold.

That was one of the few complaints the LW pilot who test flew it in 1940 had about it was its view on landing and on the ground. He loved flying it, said it was much more maneuverable than the 109 and had excellent handling characteristics at all speeds, its only disadvantages in combat were lower speed (and climbrate) and MG only armament at the time.

Incidentally, his poor visability after touchdown caused him to taxi it into the mud and get stuck, so he wasn't kidding.

[Guppy35]

The 38 drivers of the 1st FG didn't think the IAR80s were lousy opponents.  They thought they were 190s.



June of 44, 1st FG P38s and Rumanian IAR80s that were misidentified as 190s in the mass of confusion. Quoting "Stub" Hatch who was in the thick of it.


"...At this point we were only 250-300 feet off the ground. As we pulled up
slightly to turn back north again somebody hollered, 'Cragmore Break left
for Chrissake!' I looked to my left and there was a whole flock of FW 190s
headed in from 10 O'clock high.

Our entire squadron broke to the left. As I continued around in my sharp
turn a lone 190 came out of nowhere and pulled right across in front of me.
He was so close -fifty to seventy five yards away- that all I could see in
my ring sight was the belly of his fuselage and the wing roots. I opened
fire with all four 50-caliber machine guns and the 20mm cannon and I just
damn near blew him in half. That saved my neck because when I rolled out
to shoot at the 190 I looked to my right and here comes another bunch of
190s from my 2 0'clock.

There were four 190s in the lead. I did the only thing I could do. I
turned sharply to my right, pulled up and fired again. The leader was
150-250 yards away, nearly head on and slightly to my left. I set the lead
190 on fire with a burst that went through the engine, left side of the
cockpit and the wing root. The 190 rolled to its right and passed me on my
left. I didn't see him crash but my gun camera film showed the fire and my
wingman Lt. Joe Morrison, confirmed that he crashed. Unfortunately the
other three 190s in that flight went right over my head and down on the
tails of Green flight leader and his wingman. Both were shot down.

As I continued my turn around to my right, my wingman stayed with me and I
saw another 190 right up behind one of my tentmates, Joe Jackson flying as
Cragmore white 4. I closed in on that one from about his five o'clock and
tried to shoot his canopy off from about 100 yards, but I was too late to
save Joe. By then the 190 had set Jackson's plane on fire. Joe's plane
rolled over and went in and he was killed. I finally did get a burst into
the cockpit area and the 190 followed Joe right into the ground.

I was still turning to the right, going quite slowly by then, because I had
my combat flaps down. I turned maybe another 90 degrees to my right when I
saw on of our 38s coming head on with a 190 on his tail. We were still
only around 300 feet and the P38 passed over me by fifty-seventy five feet.
I pulled up my nose and opened fire on the trailing 190 from a distance of
about 150-200 yards. He kept coming head on and I shot off the bottom half
of his engine. He nosed down still shooting at me and I had to dump the
yoke hard to miss him. He was burning when he went over me, by not more
then three feet and part of his right wing knocked about three inches off
the top of my left rudder.

As the 190 went over my head I saw three more making a pass at me from my
left. I turned so fast I lost Joe Morrison. I missed my shot that time
but when these three went over me they went after Morrison. I saw three
190s diving on another 38. I snap shot at the leader from about 90 degree
deflection. I hit his left wing and shredded the aileron. He fell off on
his wing and went in. He was so low there was no chance for him to
recover. I kept on going around to my left and shot at the second one with
was going away from me on my left. I hit him, but I am not sure if he went
in. I know I knocked a bunch of pieces off his cowling and fuselage but I
didn't have time to see what was happening to him.

I looked to my 2 o'clock and here comes another 190 right at me. It was
too late for me to turn. I just shut my eyes and hunched down in the
cockpit. I thought I had bought the farm right there. But he missed me,
he never even hit my ship. I think he missed me because I was going so
slowly. He overestimated my speed and was overleading me. I started to
turn his way and when he went behind me I continued on around. There was
another one out there so I closed in on him. I took aim, fired but my guns
only fired about ten rounds and quit. I was out of ammo. I damaged him a
bit but he flew away.

I cannot over emphasize what a melee that was. There were at least twelve
P38s in that little area, all of them at very low altitude. Somewhere
between 25 and 30 190s were also there. None of us were at more then 200
or 300 feet and some were quite a bit lower. The topography was kind of a
little hollow with hills on each side. It was by far the wildest melee I
saw in sixty odd combat missions I flew. I heard one guy who had been
wounded pretty badly, scream until he went in. It was a wild, wild few
minutes. And a few minutes is all it was. According to the mission report
from our debriefing the whole fight took something like three to six
minutes. I had no inkling of elapsed time while it was going on. I was too
damned busy trying to stay alive...."

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by rogerdee
From what i have read about the aircraft the allies thought it was a joke  and they could easiely handle them if encounted.

suppriseling they were given a shock when they meet them.

I would love to see something like this in the game,although getting the corect data might be hard and geing good origional pictures and stuff

They were MORE THAN a handful against the Allies.