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Offline lazs2

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #225 on: November 02, 2007, 08:22:05 AM »
How can these scientists be neutral in the face of all this obvious data that hortlund has read?   they must be stupid eh?

It simply means that they are unwilling to go along with the alarmists.  they are saying that the proof is not good enough.. that is what neutral means.  

I doubt that anyone who is neutral for instance would recommend a carbon credit ponzie scheme or tell us we must all turn into vegetarians..

Put simply so that viking/sclotzie and hortlund can understand... they are not saying the end is near.

5 years ago.. it was almost impossible to find a scientist who didn't say the sky was falling and it was all our fault.   the alarmists are simply losing ground no matter how you look at it.   the debate is far from over.. the beggining of the debate is not even over...

no matter how you look at it.. more and more are jumping the MMGW ship every year.. and speaking out...   less and less are intimidated every year.

maybe now we will see some real research with no agenda.

only 7% say that it is us and there is no debate.. about the same say it is not us and there is no debate.   there is no consensus and more and more doubt the alarmists every year...

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #226 on: November 02, 2007, 08:42:30 AM »
Nah, thats not really how it works lazs. You dont get to pick a time period and then claim that during that time period there is a majority on either side. If there has been 2000 papers published over 10 years, and of those 2000 papers, 3 are "against", you dont get to look at the specific month those papers were published and say "during this month, more papers were against than pro". You need to look at the big picture to get the truth.

But that is all your side is good at. Trying to spin the truth, trying to flood any discussion with missinformation, half-truths and distorted facts pulled from context. Isnt it sad lasz, to be on the side that has to make stuff up or pervert the truto have an argument?

And its funny in a sad and pathetic way that you are using the same link and the same arguments now as the latest time I debunked your BS about the consensus among scientists that global warming is real.



Over to the "how can these scientists be neutral".
First we must consider the source for that piece of information. The study we are discussing have only done one thing. Gone over the abstracts of printed, peer-reviewed articles. That means that we cannot say whether the scientist is neutral or not. All we can say that he has not taken a stand for or against global warming in the abstracts of his paper. Unless the author expressly states in his abstract whether he/his research is pro or against, we cant know his position.

So all your claims about what they have or have not said is completely made up. You are just sitting there, like the dishonest scum you are, making s hit up. "It means they are unwilling to go with the alarmists blah blah". Another lie. Isnt it sad lasz, to have to lie in every single f ucking post to try to build an argument?

Second, big oil is spending millions right now to try to buy junk scientists. Just like the guy in the first post of this thread. Here is a guy who has willingly let himself be bought by pretty much every big anti-environment or anti-health corporation there is.

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #227 on: November 02, 2007, 08:48:33 AM »
yeah.. you do get to pick the time period.. if.. the subject is "more and more are jumping ship"

What you do then is show how many used to buy into the scam and then show how it has changed... the time periods would be... say 5 years ago and then today.

what is happening is.. more and more are changing from your radical and unsupported view of MMGW to become either neutral.. or outright saying it is a scam.

your numbers are shrinking.. that is what "more and more" means.

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #228 on: November 02, 2007, 08:55:41 AM »
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yeah.. you do get to pick the time period.. if.. the subject is "more and more are jumping ship"
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Fine. I pick the time period Aug 2007, and note that of the three papers published during this time period, all of them were pro global warming. Thus, no one is "jumping ship" and everyone is agreeing that global warming is a fact.

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #229 on: November 02, 2007, 08:59:43 AM »
By the way, do you remember those "neutral" papers from the first study? The study of 928 papers.


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The 928 papers were divided into six categories: explicit endorsement of the consensus position, evaluation of impacts, mitigation proposals, methods, paleoclimate analysis, and rejection of the consensus position. Of all the papers, 75% fell into the first three categories, either explicitly or implicitly accepting the consensus view; 25% dealt with methods or paleoclimate, taking no position on current anthropogenic climate change. Remarkably, none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position.

Admittedly, authors evaluating impacts, developing methods, or studying paleoclimatic change might believe that current climate change is natural. However, none of these papers argued that point.

This analysis shows that scientists publishing in the peer-reviewed literature agree with IPCC, the National Academy of Sciences, and the public statements of their professional societies. Politicians, economists, journalists, and others may have the impression of confusion, disagreement, or discord among climate scientists, but that impression is incorrect.


So, it would seem that upon further study, we find that the consensus in the first study is 100%. Eat that you lying sack of s hit.

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #230 on: November 02, 2007, 09:00:59 AM »
Some serious animosity there, Hortlund. Why do you take his opinion so personally?

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #231 on: November 02, 2007, 09:08:22 AM »
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Some serious animosity there, Hortlund. Why do you take his opinion so personally?


Because his identity is so wrapped up in his "causes" that any attack on his cause seems to be a personal attack to him, and he responds in kind.

Hortlund, can you make your point without the profanity or personal attacks?
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #232 on: November 02, 2007, 09:09:23 AM »
why do you insist on making my point?  are you simply a potty mouthed masochiost?  maybe trying to get the thread closed because you are doing so badly?

If you picked the last three papers tho (not quite like a 4 year period eh?) and said... "look.. they all say that MMGW is real... "

that would not prove much if those same people had always said that.. no change...  If even one of em changed one way or the other... all you could say was "of the last three.."

you are proving my point tho... 5 years ago, as you say (thanks) about 100% of the papers all felt we had some significant effect..

As has been shown.. in the last 4 years... and even worse in the last year... more and more are coming off the adamant alarmist view.. they are either changing to "I don't know now" or "it ain't happening"

that trend does not bode well for you.. soon you will be sitting by yourself in the corner foaming at the mouth and calling everyone a ... what was that you called  me again?

I would say that given how you are now avoiding the facts that you are either not too bright or... let face it... dishonest.

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #233 on: November 02, 2007, 09:09:33 AM »
I think Hortland missed his nap time...

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« Reply #234 on: November 02, 2007, 09:20:58 AM »
I think he's just frustrated by the wall of stupidity in front of him :D
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #235 on: November 02, 2007, 09:26:54 AM »
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« Reply #236 on: November 02, 2007, 09:28:41 AM »
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It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #237 on: November 02, 2007, 10:04:33 AM »
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why do you insist on making my point?


The only point I have been making right now is that you lie almost constantly when you are discussing these things.

This discussion is absurd. I have argued that there is a wide scientific consensus on global warming. You claim there is no such consensus.

To support your view you claim that only 6% of published papers were pro global warming in the latest study. I showed that you are wrong, and that only 6% was against global warming. Somehow you twist this information around to mean that you were right and I was wrong. "Thanks for making my point" you say. What possible point could you be trying to make? That you are incapable of understanding? That you are insane?

I think this demonstrates nicely just how detached from reality you are and just how pointless it is to try to talk to you.

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #238 on: November 02, 2007, 10:06:32 AM »
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#1.  Your math, not unexpectedly, is a little fuzzy. A mean sea level rise of  1/10 of 1 inch per year as an average, would equal out to 1 foot every 10 years.  Which would be 10 feet every century, there, Mr. Wizard. Perhaps I should add a basic math course involving fractions to your courseload.   A 5 foot increase would flood the Lower East Side of Manhattan at least twice a day, being that most of the east coast is semi


Moray,

I am not being argumentative in any way so please do not take any offense and I just might not be reading your math correctly, but wouldn't 1/10 of an inch per year mean after ten years the sea level would rise 1 inch not 1 foot as you mention above.  At that rate wouldn't it then take 120 years to rise 1 foot and then approximately 600 years to reach the 5 foot mark that would flood lower east side of Manhatten twice a day.  Again I am not an expert and will not claim to be, I am probably just reading your post incorrectly.  Please correct me if I am wrong.

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #239 on: November 02, 2007, 10:37:12 AM »
So neutrality is now a form of implicit rejection?  Interesting.
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