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Offline AKIron

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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2007, 03:42:11 PM »
Safe is relative. I firmly believe everyone has the right to risk their own life but no one else's without consent. Can anyone translate the audio?
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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2007, 03:43:46 PM »
This video is mislabeled.  They are actually speaking Portugese, presumably in Brazil.
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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2007, 04:25:18 PM »
Slow or fast he let his wingtip almost touch the ground.
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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2007, 04:35:52 PM »
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This video is mislabeled.  They are actually speaking Portugese, presumably in Brazil.


I wondered about the labeling. How did you know they were speaking portuguese? You are correct of course but I wondered if you spoke the language.

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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2007, 04:49:41 PM »
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I wondered about the labeling. How did you know they were speaking portuguese? You are correct of course but I wondered if you spoke the language.

Mark


comments on video suggest portuguese
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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2007, 05:00:18 PM »
Aquashrimp, why do you keep making this personal?  I ask again, how fast was the wind blowing down the runway?  Do you understand the importance of this versus groundspeed?  I inquire because your posts, between attacks, seem to display an unexpected ignorance about this, especially in consideration of your mighty "time in about 4 planes".
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« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2007, 05:03:50 PM »
this plane is a Transportes Aereos Portugueses (TAP Portugal)
it is the national airline of Portugal.



so much for a iran video :lol
best comment is "Unless of course it was full of Iranians in which case :aok "
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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2007, 05:12:08 PM »
I'm no pilot but that looks like a real dumb move for anything except a hot fighter with power and agility to spare (and those sometimes crash too).
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« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2007, 05:51:50 PM »
I speak Portuguese, this is the best translation I give:

Voice one:  “Tower, this is Ghost rider requesting a flyby.”
Voice two:  “That's a negative Ghost rider, the pattern is full.”
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Voice three:  “Maverick, you just did an incredibly brave thing. What you should have done was land your plane! you don't own that plane, Transportes Aereos Portugueses does! Son, your ego is writing checks your body can't cash. You've been busted, you lost your qualifications as section leader three times, put in hack twice by me, with a history of high speed passes over five air control towers, and one admiral's daughter!”
 Voice four:  “Penny Benjamin?”
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« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2007, 05:52:13 PM »
The ratio of pilot/non-pilots is interesting when tallying opinions on this issue.
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« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2007, 05:53:05 PM »
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I speak Portuguese, this is the best translation I give:

Voice one:  “Tower, this is Ghost rider requesting a flyby.”
Voice two:  “That's a negative Ghost rider, the pattern is full.”
Pause…
Voice three:  “Maverick, you just did an incredibly brave thing. What you should have done was land your plane! you don't own that plane, Transportes Aereos Portugueses does! Son, your ego is writing checks your body can't cash. You've been busted, you lost your qualifications as section leader three times, put in hack twice by me, with a history of high speed passes over five air control towers, and one admiral's daughter!”
 Voice four:  “Penny Benjamin?”


That was so wasted when it could have been boollywooded. :D
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« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2007, 06:05:25 PM »
Guys, that plane is SERIOUSLY slow.

I dont know what you are going on about. They nearly die!

The wing nearly hit the dirt, the AoA is very high in the turn and its being pulled around by sitting on a certain power setting (I dont think its full power though).

Good pilot, but that flying style is better suited to little planes (and aces high).
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« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2007, 06:12:24 PM »
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Very nice rebuttal Hornet.

However, heres the facts.  I'm clear on what I saw in the video.  It was a pilot, flying very slow and low to the ground, in an airliner.  He loses altitude at a couple of points, and his wing gets dangerously close to the ground.

For whatever reason, you and Chairboy are horribly confused by this.  Its alright to be confused and befuddled.  But for those of us who aren't, we can clearly see what is happening in the video.


I'm not horribly confused about anything other than how you think your an expert on what is happening in this video or anything else related to flight.

The viseo is incunclusive as far as the pilot losing altitude to any great extent. The terrain in the background gives the illusion of that due to all the hills and mountains. Where the plane made it's bank off the runway heading there is a hill right in the shot so how can anyone be sure of how close the wing got to the ground. Also in the shot as the plane is heading down the runway you can see off to the right side a bunch of tents and stuff. This might have been an airshow demonstration of some sort in a lightly loaded airliner.

Yes he is low and slow. No doubt about that but your explanation of how you "evaluated" the flight parameters based on your "extensive" experiance while shooting down the opinion of a liscensed pilot that disagrees with your theory is really what is in question here.

All that being said I'll put it in a way you should understand. You have NO clue what your talking about and you opinion of this and most other topics I've seen you post about are worth less than a warm cup of piss. You might actually bring something to the table some day when you realize that your opinion and "facts" are not the finally authority on any subject you choose to discuss.

I wouldn't have even posted in this thread except I read your reply to Chairboy and everything you wrote just had "I'm and idiot and let the beating comence" written all over it and Lord help me, I just couldn't help myself.
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« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2007, 06:29:41 PM »
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I wouldn't have even posted in this thread except I read your reply to Chairboy and everything you wrote just had "I'm and idiot and let the beating comence" written all over it and Lord help me, I just couldn't help myself.


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« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2007, 06:30:17 PM »
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Check out how low and slow this Portugese airliner is flying.  Hes gotta be just above stall speed, altitude around 100 ft agl.  Reminds me of that B-52 pilot who stalled and got his whole crew killed.


This was TAP airshow in Evora, Sept. 15, a tribute to A-310 fleet which is to be phased out from their fleet.

Flown by TAP chief pilot Cesar Brito with over 4000 hours on A-310. On the right seat was another experienced TAP pilot Vitor Pereira.

The whole program was planned to the last detail and repeated countless times in simulator.

The plane was never bellow Vref +30 (165 knots).

If you google a bit, you'll find clips from different angle where plane appears faster...
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