Author Topic: US Snipers use Bait to attract Iraqi targets (Read 877 times)

Hoffman · « **Reply #15 on:** November 07, 2007, 01:18:10 PM »

"Akmhed, look! There's an RPG, some Ak-47's, and some C-4, just lying there in the middle of the street with a sign that say's: Anti-Infidel Kit, pick up to use against American's."

"By Allah, Mohammed, we could use this to wage our Jihad against the infidels, convienently placed not 50 yards from one of their accursed F.O.B.s, too."

"Or even better my friend, we could sell it off to help get food for the 400 other fighters of God to improve their strength."

"We will be heroes!"

These are of course similar terrorists(they can't be the same ones for obvious reasons) to the ones who in the middle of a night, 200 Ft. from a Bradley OP on idle, start digging a hole in the middle of a road to plant an IED, and after two are killed by the coax of the Bradley sitting 200 Ft. away idling its engine, a third resumes the work, to be shot 10 seconds after the Bradley radio's higher for permission to engage...
Yeah... Okay...

Bait is an okay idea, but I would discontinue it as a commander simply because optimistically you'll only be killing the dumb terrorists instead of the slightly dumb ones.

Yeager · « **Reply #16 on:** November 07, 2007, 01:19:34 PM »

That pretty much characterizes the original post of the thread.
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lost me there mav, care to elaborate?

cpxxx · « **Reply #17 on:** November 07, 2007, 01:43:32 PM »

Years ago during the Northern Ireland troubles. Someone found weapons hidden in an old shed on their land. They dutifully reported it to the police. Later they were told to stay away from the shed and say nothing about it.

Meanwhile the British army staked out the shed, waiting for a terrorist to turn up. Eventually someone arrived. They opened fire. Their story was that the individual picked up a rifle, pointed it at them and refused to surrender.

In fact it turned out to be the teenage son of the person who found the guns in the first place. He had gone over to see if they guns were still there, out of teenage curiousity. The army shot him assuming he was an IRA man. The used the same method to kill a couple of unarmed IRA men previously.

But this time they killed an innocent boy.

You can easily envisage similar situations in Iraq.

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #18 on:** November 07, 2007, 01:48:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
Oh sorry, missed that. Oh well, get out of this thread I guess...if you have no value to add

Shamus · « **Reply #19 on:** November 07, 2007, 02:16:54 PM »

"Snipers are special people who are trained to shoot in a detached fashion, not to see their targets as human beings," said James Culp, one of Vela's lawyers.

That also applies to FBI snipers if I recall correctly.

I rank this type of behavior along with many of the stings run by law enforcement to get the "numbers", a lazy sloths way to get the job done.

shamus

john9001 · « **Reply #20 on:** November 07, 2007, 02:27:08 PM »

shamus is right, we should fight fair, but to be fair all the terrorists in Iraq should wear red vests so that no innocent civilians will be killed.

Shamus · « **Reply #21 on:** November 07, 2007, 02:32:51 PM »

Yup John..lets just shoot em all preemptively.

shamus

lazs2 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 07, 2007, 02:40:24 PM »

I did see one tv show where marine snipers hid in a cammo covered hole in the ground and waited for someone to start digging on the side of the road to plant a device.. they shot em.

I am fine with that... I couldn't see any innocent reason to bury an explosive device on the side of the road.

lazs

Trell · « **Reply #23 on:** November 07, 2007, 02:49:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Furball
In the UK, the police plant cars in crime hot spots which are attractive to criminals to break in to. Then arrest whoever breaks in to it.

Breaks into it is the key.

Are they locking up the guns or are they just laying them out?

Tiger · « **Reply #24 on:** November 07, 2007, 03:07:32 PM »

well crap, let's just fix the whole problem... nuke the place, wait 60 or 70 years and repopulate it.

Trell · « **Reply #25 on:** November 07, 2007, 03:32:18 PM »

Lol Half the time it is Lets Nuke them
The other half of the time it is that we are here to help them.

Well is it a war or a police action?

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #26 on:** November 07, 2007, 03:52:57 PM »

We are policing up a war action.

RedTop · « **Reply #27 on:** November 07, 2007, 05:41:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Trell
Lol Half the time it is Lets Nuke them
The other half of the time it is that we are here to help them.

Well is it a war or a police action?

sign up............then you can ask the ones that know.

WilldCrd · « **Reply #28 on:** November 07, 2007, 07:05:24 PM »

on the one hand i think its ingenious. But, as yeager pointed out what if some poor bloke is just trying to grab stuff to sell for money to feed his family?

I've had friends die over there, others who havent have told me things that makes this type of action understandable.

A very good friend of mine told me that shortly after getting to iraq his patrol was assaulted by insurgents, he personally came under direct fire (ill spare the full details) but he ended up squaring off with his attacker and was first to fire a clean shot killing the insurgent. Turn out it was a 15 or 16 yr old kid.
I asked him if that screwed with him, his answer was nope the lil pissant oscar%@$%^$#@!##$ had just blown off some innocent ladies head!

War is Hell and to win it ya gotta bring Hell with ya

Thrawn · « **Reply #29 on:** November 07, 2007, 07:37:26 PM »

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Originally posted by WilldCrd
War is Hell and to win it ya gotta bring Hell with ya

And you guys started this one.