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Offline Bingolong

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What is a Militia?
« on: November 20, 2007, 12:42:53 PM »
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Offline Toad

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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2007, 12:50:09 PM »
I welcome their decision to address this issue. I hope they do so with finality one way or the other.

One way, I get to keep on as I have. The other, I get to move to Idaho. ;)
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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2007, 01:08:47 PM »
This'll be interesting...  I wonder if the timing of this indicates that they're assuming Hillary will win.
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The National Rifle Association similarly didn't take a position on whether the court should get involved.
why is this not surprising...
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Offline Yeager

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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2007, 01:11:43 PM »
the supremes will not define the 2nd amendmant.  they will hand the question back to the states.
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2007, 01:16:48 PM »
They'll define it for the federal government which should be quite simple; the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed (by the Federal government).

They'll let state constitutions define firearms ownership/possession for the individual states.

Which is simply as it should be.

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Kansas Constitution Bill of Rights 4

The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security; but standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and shall not be tolerated, and the military shall be in strict subordination to the civil power.
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2007, 01:43:13 PM »
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They'll define it for the federal government which should be quite simple; the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed (by the Federal government).

They'll let state constitutions define firearms ownership/possession for the individual states.

Which is simply as it should be.

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The constitution doesn't just restrict what the federal government can or can't do, but what the states can or can't do.


When it says that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed, it means both by the Federal Government, and the States government.



Most of the original / old states put in right to bear arms as a means to reaffirm how important this was to true freedom.
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2007, 01:58:31 PM »
Every citizen is a potential member of a milita should the need arise.

As much as I fear and dislike guns in general.. I believe in the reasoning behind the 2nd amendment and stand by it.

TIGERESS
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2007, 02:22:04 PM »
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
The constitution doesn't just restrict what the federal government can or can't do, but what the states can or can't do.
yup...
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Originally posted by the US Congress June 13, 1866
AMENDMENT XIV

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        ...No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;...
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Offline Bingolong

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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2007, 02:46:27 PM »
Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

In the context of the Constitution, phrases like "shall not be infringed," "shall make no law," and "shall not be violated" sound pretty unbendable, but the Supreme Court has ruled that some laws can, in fact, encroach on these phrases.
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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2007, 02:55:37 PM »
abortion is also protected in the consitution....somewhere in there.....
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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2007, 03:02:19 PM »
tigress, I applaud your stance..  It is more noble in my mind to be afraid or dislike some freedom but to allow it than to simply be only for the freedoms you like.

You don't really need protection for freedoms that are popular.

I think the decision will be a narrow one.   I think the individual right idea will be upheld but that "infringed" will not be defined.    

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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2007, 03:08:39 PM »
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As much as I fear and dislike guns in general


There is not really any reason to be afraid of a firearm.  In my experience those who actually have a legitimate "fear" of guns are the ones who don't know the first thing about using and handling them safely.

Then again I've grown up shooting and now instruct others how to shoot.  One of my absolute favorite things to do is take someone who may have no experience with a firearm and help them break targets on a trap or skeet range.  Same goes for the more, stigmatic I guess, handgun.   The first time someone handles a hangun they're typically nervous, timid and unsure of what to actually expect.  When they put a few rounds through it, they're usually not happy to wait for me to reload the magazine!

Sounds like it could be something fun for you to do, Tigress!
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2007, 03:11:55 PM »
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abortion is also protected in the consitution....somewhere in there.....

This is what I was thinking.:aok  If they can't find a "right to bear arms" in the consitution but the found a right to abortion then thier not lookng hard enough.
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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2007, 03:15:03 PM »
A few years ago I took my wife to the gun range I frequent for some instruction. Was an introductory class to handguns and she got to fire 4 different types. One of the semis ejected a casing down the front of her blouse. Everyone around her was afraid of guns that day as she swung that pistol in every direction trying to get that hot casing out of her blouse. :D
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Offline TalonX

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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2007, 03:16:25 PM »
And the mayor says.... "Washington and its mayor, Adrian Fenty, argued in the appeal.  'Whatever right the Second Amendment guarantees, it does not require the district to stand by while its citizens die.'''



Did someone notice that the city has one of the highest murder rates in the United States?  Clearly, gun restrictions are not helping.    

As far as the second amendment goes, it's a no brainer...Everyone owned guns then (when written) and since...   The amendment could not POSSIBLY have meant that citizens couldn't own guns...not everyone was in the militia.
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