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Offline Masherbrum

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« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2007, 05:26:19 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2007, 09:50:38 AM »
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You couldn't bring it up in one of the other threads? I am not trying to be rude...




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« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2007, 01:03:25 PM »
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I'm up for either, the A6M6c had a few key diffrences from the 5c such as the much needed self sealing fuel tanks and water/methanol injection boost(WEP). But the 5c was likely built in higher numbers, so give or take on that one.


H2O/methanol injection? Oh yes, our F4U-1A's+ have that too...
which begs the question:
If the Hogs get the injection, why don't the late 109G's+ have their fancy nas injection?
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« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2007, 01:08:47 PM »
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If the Hogs get the injection, why don't the late 109G's+ have their fancy nas injection?

They do.
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« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2007, 01:47:56 PM »
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I'm up for either, the A6M6c had a few key diffrences from the 5c such as the much needed self sealing fuel tanks and water/methanol injection boost(WEP). But the 5c was likely built in higher numbers, so give or take on that one.

Sounds like a slow, poorly turning zeke with all that extra armament.
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« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2007, 06:35:04 PM »
I doubt one extra gun made much of a difference in weight, depending on how much ammo it had. At best the entire plane probably comes in a 500-600 Ibs. heavier then then A6M5b, thats just a rough estimate on my part though.
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« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2008, 03:11:56 PM »
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VansCrew obviously needs to read a lot more about Japanese aircraft.


Ki-61-I-Tei: two 12.7mm Ho-103 machine guns in the wings and two 20mm Ho-5 cannon in the cowl.



I think you have this reversed, the 2 12.7mg's are in the cowl.
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« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2008, 06:01:21 PM »
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VansCrew obviously needs to read a lot more about Japanese aircraft.


Ki-61-I-Tei: two 12.7mm Ho-103 machine guns in the wings and two 20mm Ho-5 cannon in the cowl.



I think you have this reversed, the 2 12.7mg's are in the cowl.

No, in the Ki-61 the 20mm cannons are in the cowl and the 12.7mm machine guns are in the wings.

Grab one offline, go to external view and test it.
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« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2008, 07:19:53 PM »
Karnak is correct.

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I've been flying the Ki-84 this month, and it seems as though the weapons it carries are more effective than other Japanese guns. Is this actually the case, or just perception? I thought I'd read somewhere in here that they modelled some of their own weapons off of the Brownings used by the US. Is this true, and if so, which ones?

Not an expert on the Japanese planeset by any means, but after flying the A6Ms and N1K, their guns seem anemic by comparison. I'm curious if it's a case of my poor aim, my worse luck, or if there is a pronounced difference in the MGs and cannons.
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« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2008, 07:38:43 PM »
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Sounds like a slow, poorly turning zeke with all that extra armament.


A6M3, Type 0 Model 32 was the poor turning Zeke of the lot.


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« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2008, 07:57:26 PM »
hubsonfire,

The IJN Type 99 weapons were based on Oerlikon weapons much like the MG/FF and MG/FFL were.

However, the IJA's Ho-103 12.7mm machine gun and Ho-5 20mm cannon were both developments of the Browning.  They were lightened and rechambered for the Japanese rounds, but they are fundamentally Browning designs.

Weight of a small sample of WWII aircraft guns:

UK Hispano Mk II: 50kg  600rpm  880m/sec
US .50 caliber Browning: 29kg  650rpm  880m/sec
IJA Ho-103 12.7mm: 23kg  900rpm  760m/sec (Browning derivitive)
IJA Ho-5 20mm: 37kg  700-850rpm  700-730m/sec (Browning derivitive)
IJN Type 99 Model 1: 23-26kg  520rpm  550-600m/sec
IJN Type 99 Model 2: 34-38kg  490rpm  750m/sec
Luft. MG151/20: 42kg  700rpm  710-800m/sec
VVS ShVAK 20mm: 42kg 800rpm  860m/sec
VVS B-20 20mm: 25kg  800rpm  860m/sec


EDIT:  Added RoF and muzzle velocities.
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« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2008, 08:08:48 PM »
Ah, that might well explain it then. Interesting bit on the Type 99s as well.
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« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2008, 10:02:36 PM »
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I see your Ki-61 and raise you a D3A!


I see your D3A and raise you a B5N!
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« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2008, 06:11:33 AM »
Im starting to really like the Niki. The cannon on the thing is fearsome and it has a good mix of attributes. Ive been meaning to take out a KI-84 cause Ive heard many speak well of it. The Zero is, of course, the Zero, and the KI-67 is, IMOHO, the best bomber in the game.

                        So I have a lot of enthusiasm for the Japanese plane set. The Betty would be an interesting addition, "I love medium bombers", as long as it was the late war one with self sealing tanks and more squirrels under the hood. The Betty had a huge presence in the war and deserves to be in the game.
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« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2008, 10:15:27 AM »
If/when we get the Betty it will almost certainly be the G4M2 with no self sealing tanks.  The protected G4M3 saw almost no combat or saw no combat.  I've not been able to tell which.
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