Author Topic: Strato Bomber DWEEBS!  (Read 7255 times)

Offline Vermillion

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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2000, 05:18:00 PM »
All countries StratoDweeb, and all who do it should be chastized and educated as too why they shouldn't do it.

One very funny thing tho Mox, yep Strafing is historic, but I don't quite think it was done while rolling around on your landing gear at 30 mph.

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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2000, 05:24:00 PM »
Obviously those who complain about buffs do not fly them often.  Go check the scores.  The B-17 typically has the 2nd worst kill ratio (C-47 is the worse) in this game: about 1 kill per 2 deaths (.5).  The B-26 is a little better at about .7 .  I have never seen a fighter with a worse ratio (they are typically .85 to 1.85 .  Remember that for a buff to get to 30+ K, it usually takes over an hour, buffing is a big investment of time, that can be ruined by a guy who has invested little.  A fighter has a climb rate that is several times greater than the buffs.  Often buffs get blown out of the sky before they get a chance to drop their load.  I fly buffs about 1/2 of the time and think that they are too easy to kill, gamewise.  I have a terrible kill ratio against buffs, yet have managed to  kill several at 30+ K.  
Buffs had 3 means of defence, large formations, escorts, and alt.  Because this is a game, the first 2 rarely happen.  The only chance a buff driver has in this game is to go high.  If you enter enemy teritory in a buff at 15 K, you will most often get wasted before you get a chance to look through the bombsight.  Often at these alts you must deal with multiple cons, yet you are the only gunner, how realistic is that?  When you attack a buff in a fighter, he is usually alone or too far from another buff to benifit from mutual support, how realistic is that?  If you want reality, perhaps each buff driver should be flying a lead plane that has 19 drones with 6 otto gunners in each plane.
Anyway, the point of my rant is that you winers should try this game from the buffs point of view before bashing tactics.  Spend 1/3 of your time alone, slow, low, relitively unmanuverable, and at the mercy of Luke Skywalker in his F4U 1C, and then come back and gripe about buffs.  

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« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2000, 05:54:00 PM »
 
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I'm starting to see more and more of this kind of lameness. Several known squads are starting to do this on a regular basis. I have a film of bomber at 38K that fly's with one of the more upstanding squads here. I know The Wrecking Crew, and many other squads frown on this type of dweebness.

CaveJ may frown on this but just this afternoon, I found at least two Wrecking Crew if not three who were flying at 30+K to take out the Bish radar facility.  Two B17 and an F4.  I know two of them were Bull and Handy.  

Cave, I know you rarely fly at 30+, and I respect that.  You might want to talk to your squadmates, however.  They are exploiting this dweebishness we all wish HTC got rid of.

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« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2000, 05:54:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Mox:

I'm not saying that Rooks don't fly strato bombers, I'm saying it's generaly frowned upon.  I will make it a point to tell the Rooks that are doing it, and they usually agree and come down to a reasonable alt.

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I just been up to intercept a B17 over Bish radar... dar got bombed whilst I was directly overhead and I was at 26k and I didn't see any of the Wrecking Crew that dropped the eggs...  was reported by someone else at 35k

I wasn't angry though as I agree entirely with Eskimo...

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« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2000, 05:58:00 PM »
OK OK LET THE FULL TIME BOBMER PILOT HAVE A SAY IN THIS!!!!!!! Thank you. Now many of you know that I fly buffs full time, so of all ppl I should know what it's like. K now why I get high alt is so you can't shoot me, and whats wrong with that? Nothing right? And another thing, I never fly above 25k, it takes too long to get there anyway. I rememeber yesterday in the arena Mox, when you and I where talking. I rememeber I told you that it took 1 hour for me to reach 25k in a half loaded 17, where as it took you only 10 mins to reach 25k in your fighter. Plus it only takes 1 or 2 hits from your dweeb plane (F4U-1C) to take me down. So listen, it offends me that someone calls me a dweeb because I fly high. I don't call you a dweeb because you fly your fighter high, now do I? So please just STOP IT, as buff driving is already HELL, and you don't have to make it harder.

*phew*........*takes breath* sry I just had to get that off my chest. Sry if I offened anyone. I'll see yall in the arena, and rememeber, if you see a bomber at 25k bombing your HQ, it's probly someone else   .

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« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2000, 06:02:00 PM »
ooops I didn't read eskimo's post heheheh   anyway all I have to say is DAMN RIGHT ESKY!  

ah you know my name  
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« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2000, 06:23:00 PM »
Hi all

Just been reading about the B17G in two different books and they say that the max ceiling was 35,000ft (B17F at 37,000ft) though it didn't mention whether this was laden or not, probably unladen.  I know that they often went in large formations at 20-25k with escorts part/full way.

Anyway, what I'd like to know is this data correct at all (or are my books crap!   ) and can anyone recommend some good reads on the 17?      Thanks!

Regards all

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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2000, 06:58:00 PM »
>Just been reading about the B17G in two different books and they say that the max ceiling was 35,000ft (B17F at 37,000ft) though it didn't mention whether this was laden or not, probably unladen. I know that they often went in large formations at 20-25k with escorts part/full way.


Yeah, that's right.  The vast majority of the time the attacks were in the 25K range.  A B-17 was certainly CAPABLE of getting up to 30K+, but at that altitude bombing accuracy diminished and it got really, really hard on the crews.  

I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere in my books that in the early days the RAF would use that 30K+ altitude for only short periods to outclimb the Germans, use their faster speed at that altitude, and scoot away before going back down.



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« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2000, 07:09:00 PM »
I do spend alot of time in the bombers.  In every tour I've been ranked in the top 3 for bomber score (I was 214CaveJ during the beta tours).
I assume the score page lists total sortie time in seconds?  If that's the case, I've got 74+hrs in bombers for beta tour 1 and over 100hrs in bombers for beta tour 2, beta tour 3, and tour 1.  So far in tour 2 I only have 32-33hrs, but I'm currently ranked 3rd in points for the bombers.

I believe most of these guys are going above 30k because a)they can't shoot or carry gunners who can't shoot, or b)they have problems w/ the nerf .50s that are installed on the buffs.

It's still rediculous.  I haven't ventured above 28k in a VERY long time, and, as I've said elsewhere, I'm usually found down around 15k, throwing hundreds of Nerf .50 cal rounds at enemy fighters.

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« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2000, 07:45:00 PM »
Fly as high as you like...  I don't mind..  

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« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2000, 08:21:00 PM »
When I fly bombers, or anyone in my squad for that matter, we never exceed 25k.  First of all, it just takes too long to go higher.  Second, it's not fun IMO.  Third, I LIKE to shoot at fighters, because at 25k they will usually be coming in low from the 6 position.  That being said, I usually fly around 15k.  I personally don't like to see bombers flying any higher than about 30k myself.  If you go higher than that, only the p38 can get to you.  It seems kind of strange that the one fighter we have that was designed specifically to bring down bombers (190A8) can barely reach 30k.

It also gets on my nerves when someone accuses only Knights and Bishops of doing this.  It's like saying that only Rooks get gangbanged, meaning it's just not true.  (What were those numbers late last night ... oh yeah, 17 bish, 12 rook, 5 knights.   I must say we put up a pretty good fight and even managed to take 4 bases. )  Need more proof, ok here it is:  About 50% of the people playing this game switch sides regularly.  (Maybe they just turn into Mr. Hyde when they become Knights.   )

IMHO this is a bug in the game, but it is a bug that HTC is aware of.  Remember, they lowered the ceiling for the b26 just recently.  I've also heard that modifications to the bombing accuracy (or bombsight) are planned.  Hopefully this will put an end the threat of the 35k stratobomber once and for all.

Just my $.02

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« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2000, 10:31:00 PM »
Nothing makes me laugh harder than guys "please make it easier for me to shoot you down" Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! What base are you flying from? I'll be right over with a C-47 full of Kleenex... Are you the same types that get mad when a P51 wont stall fight your Spitfire?

And as for you morons who complain about the accuracy of buff bombsights... Well I guess you fail to understand NOBODY would fly buffs if they needed a 100 plane formation to ensure hitting the AAA guns at a fighters strip. Maybe you still don't get it.   If 10% of your countrymen fly buffs, then you would need 1000 players on your side to get to the required 100 bomber formation you would need to sucessfully attack your target.  

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« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2000, 11:11:00 PM »
Eskimo, well said!

Coyote, ROFLMAO!

Seems like this whole board is turning into

"Why won't the rest of you dweebs/lamers/geeks/whatevers play this game the way _I_ tell you to?"

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

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« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2000, 11:14:00 PM »
So....The Wrecking Crew Frowns on this eh?

Hate to pop ur bubble, but I dont think anyone cares

Rude Out!

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« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2000, 11:30:00 PM »
So how fast does an unloaded (no bombs) buff take to climb to 35k with 25%???

Hmmm... maybe a couple of fighterdweebs in an unloaded 17 could be quite lethal for stratobuffs?

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