Sheriff Joe Is At It Again

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by moot
He stopped deserving praise for the good things he did when he got rotten like so many other people in such positions of power.

Well, welcome to the 15%.  

[2bighorn]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
I hear ya there...That's a good question. The stat's in that case would have to be first split by jurisdiction, then compared, to see if there was any drastic change in reduction....

Well, the stats are split, that was the whole point and only possible way of somewhat comparing the two.

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Interesting thought though; if Sheriff Joe's methods lower crime in Maricopa County, wouldn't that, by proxy, lower the crime in Phoenix as Phoenix is inside Maricopa County?

Since the stats are split, no.

That said, criminal cought by sheriff can't commit crime in PHX metro area, so yes, he does lower crime in metro area, but reverse is also true, criminal put away by PPD won't commit crimes in Sheriff's jurisdiction, so it equals out.

[bj229r]

I've spent a LOT of time in Phoenix....working on electronic stuff in prisons in nearby Florence....(my company also did the electronic stuff in Joe's NEW jail....actually made of concrete) since it's usually like 900 degrees outside, even at night, I tended to spend heap much time watching local tv in the motel, ...and from that I've concluded ALL the local liberal media hates Joe with a passion, as with all  the local liberal columnists...and that's good enough for me:aok

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by bj229r
I've spent a LOT of time in Phoenix....working on electronic stuff in prisons in nearby Florence....(my company also did the electronic stuff in Joe's NEW jail....actually made of concrete) since it's usually like 900 degrees outside, even at night, I tended to spend heap much time watching local tv in the motel, ...and from that I've concluded ALL the local liberal media hates Joe with a passion, as with all  the local liberal columnists...and that's good enough for me:aok

Yeah...I don't live in the area, so I can't really form an opinion either way, myself. It's just better to get a feel for both sides of the story.

[2bighorn]

Originally posted by bj229r
and from that I've concluded ALL the local liberal media hates Joe with a passion, as with all  the local liberal columnists

Since when do you pay so much attention to liberal media? Closet commie...

 

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
I did find this though for 2006 in the UCR

Violent crime in Phoenix 2005:  10691
Violent crime in Phoenix 2006:  11194

Increase of 4.7 %





Violent crime in Maricopa County 2005: not reporting?
Violent crime in Maricopa County 2006:   850

but the real question is. how many of those crimes were commited by repeat offenders?

[SteveBailey]

but crime rate has increased by 1% since 2000 as opposed to 12.7% in rest of the Maricopa county.

2Bighorn,

Not according to the statistics in your link.  Crime is rated at number of crimes per 100,000 people.  In 2000,  Maricopa County had 895.72 crimes per 100,000.  In 2006, Maricopa County had 787.18 crimes per 100,000.

This is a decrease  in crime rate and not an increase of 12.7%.  You gave inaccurate information.

[2bighorn]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
2Bighorn,

Not according to the statistics in your link.  Crime is rated at number of crimes per 100,000 people.  In 2000,  Maricopa County had 895.72 crimes per 100,000.  In 2006, Maricopa County had 787.18 crimes per 100,000.

This is a decrease  in crime rate and not an increase of 12.7%.  You gave inaccurate information.

Umm no, I didn't give inaccurate information.

If I provide you with total number of crimes for both jurisdiction I'd also have to provide you with increase in population for both, which I did.

It's logical that if crimes in Maricopa Co go up for 12.7% and population 23% in the same period, crime rate per 100,000 drops.

In comparison, PHX crimes go up by 1% and population 22%, crime rate per 100,000 drops too, albeit much more than in Maricopa.

Whether you compare in absolute numbers, or by rate per 100,000, result is the same, as it should be, since in both cases increase in population is accounted for.


Either way you measure, it shows that Maricopa Sheriff's method of running the show does not reduce crime rate nor detters criminals to offend again any more than conventional law enforcement method of PHX PD.

In fact, PHX PD does better job.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by 2bighorn
Umm no, I didn't give inaccurate information.

If I provide you with total number of crimes for both jurisdiction I'd also have to provide you with increase in population for both, which I did.

It's logical that if crimes in Maricopa Co go up for 12.7% and population 23% in the same period, crime rate per 100,000 drops.

In comparison, PHX crimes go up by 1% and population 22%, crime rate per 100,000 drops too, albeit much more than in Maricopa.

Whether you compare in absolute numbers, or by rate per 100,000, result is the same, as it should be, since in both cases increase in population is accounted for.


Either way you measure, it shows that Maricopa Sheriff's method of running the show does not reduce crime rate nor detters criminals to offend again any more than conventional law enforcement method of PHX PD.

In fact, PHX PD does better job.

The standard for measuring crime is crime per 100k population.  The crime rate went down in Maricopa County, to say otherwise is disingenuous.

We aren't discussing Phx PD, although I'm pleased to hear of their successes.  We are discussing Arpaio, and during his tenure, the crime rate has dropped.

[REP0MAN]

Jurisdictional talk is funny. Here is a small lesson on Phoenix and Maricopa County.

Maricopa County is 9,226 Square Miles and encompasses the fifth largest metropolitan area in the nation, Phoenix being the fifth largest city in the nation. There are many suburban cities and towns that make up this vast metro area. Phoenix is the largest, growing all the time, currently at 516 square miles.

The City of Phoenix Police Department's jurisdictional boundary is limited to the city limits of Phoenix. Police Officers, certified by the state certifying arm AzPost, are enabled to carry out the duties of a police officer in any portion of the state of Arizona. Jurisdictional boundaries, in this sense, bind the Court Systems of Phoenix (and the other municipal courts).

Maricopa County Superior Court is the Judicial Branch in which all criminal cases are tended to when they go beyond the municipal level. These courts are on the County Government Level and have jurisdictional boundary which stops at the geographical border of the county. Then, you have the state level of courts.

It is not fair to the sheriffs office to take the municipalities away from them in a crime statistic form. Without all the municipalities, you have only Fountain Hills, the Lakes, Sun City, Sun Lakes, Tonopah and other rural areas. The success of the Sheriffs Office, in the context of this tread, would be measured in studying the entire Valley's crime stats, municipalities included. Since all offenders go to the county jail system regardless of the city of their crime; it would only be right to measure MCSO's success by incorporating the entire valley's UCRs as a whole.

Sorry if I lost some of you. I have a rather elevated BAC

[rpm]

Originally posted by Maverick
RPM,

I'm from AZ. and I'm pretty familiar with the versions of the new times in both Phoenix and Tucson. While they do cover stories that other news sources do not I hardly think that is a recommendation particularly since their "reporting" is more in the vein of editorializing without claiming to be an opinion piece. They tend to pick and choose their "stories" with even more of an eye for sensationalism that any of the more normal media. They also favor anything that can be an perceived as an embarrassment to the local and state governments. That also includes some of the local defense attorneys providing info to try and get them to "investigate" something that would help color their current case in court.

While they don't usually publish UFO or space alien claims I don't consider them to be that far above that level of "publication". They do provide reviews of the local topless places and sex shops as well as a very high content of porn adds.

Oh, don't get me wrong Mav. I don't confuse New Times with The Washington Post or The Dallas Morning News. But, they do tend to dig up stories those outlets don't cover and for the most part, from what I have seen, they are very good at investigative journalism. They also have plenty of personal ads and plenty of ads for strip clubs or sex services, hence the name "alternative".

While I don't read New Times, I do read The Dallas Observer and Fort Worth Weekly. I can recommend them for their journalism and choice of stories. They do more or less support the "little guy" or "average Joe" that have been done wrong and have been ignored by larger media outlets. If you want to cruise the back pages, well that's a personal choice.

I'd still like to see a study of repeat offenders. The numbers shown don't seem to support his efforts. Like I said, I do support many of his ideas. But if they are doing nothing more than getting him on TV and causing law suit settlements, I don't see the point.

The arrest of NASCAR driver Kurt Bush for DWI then cropping of charges and subsequent release seems to me like all he was after was press and a few $$$, not serious law enforcement.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by 2bighorn
Since when do you pay so much attention to liberal media? Closet commie...

 

Lol, not like you can avoid them:p

[bongaroo]

Originally posted by REP0MAN
It's very hard for me, a former police officer and DRE, to really take anything Bongaroo says seriously. Maybe its the redundant reference to Marijuana in your CPID and BBS name; maybe your avatar. Regardless, it's ironic that you display your support for an illegal substance and all of the illegal immigrants you've worked with were cool to you. I see the link.

well repo, you being an OU fan (alumni?) makes it very hard for me to take anything you have to say seriously either    But I go ahead and read what you have to say and how your saying it anyway, because thats the important part; not how you present yourself in an avatar or bbs name but in what you have to say.

Steve appeared to me to be painting a broad picture of violent migrant workers destroying the land and I was providing first hand evidence that there are plenty of hard working, non-violent people among them.

No reason to get into a debate on why marijuana should be legalized in this thread, but maybe we can start a thread about that soon?

[bongaroo]

Originally posted by REP0MAN
I apologize BigHorn, I didn't mean a link between you and bangaroo. I mean a link between his many positive experiences with Illegal Immigrants and his super lust for an illegal substance.

sir

oh man, i'm jonesing so bad for a J right now...i "super lust" for it!  i'm such a deplorable useless piece of society.  I must have a crappy part time job, no college degree and no future!  I need my fix sooooooo bad I think i'll go rob some old lady at gunpoint or jack a car.  

Or am I a hard working sucessful draftsman that happens to enjoy a harmless pastime in the comfort of my own home with good friends.  

I bet you watched reefer madness and took it seriously didn't you?

[REP0MAN]

While I'd love to debate the finer points of your drug of choice, this is not the place.  I will say that its not the actual drug I am against, its the fact that it is against the law. Breaking the law makes you, me and everyone else in this O'Club a criminal.

Thank you for thinking of me as an OU allum. I could only wish to have attended such a great school. Although, right now, being an OU fan kinda sucks, it far from the criminality of Marijuana use/possession/sale.  

The fact of the matter, and my point, was that it is very difficult for you to make a serious point about a legal matter when your "Pothead Nation" flag flies so high and mighty. I could care less if you like to smoke the wacky-tobacky. It is your personal choice. I'm happy you enjoy it so much. You carry a bias when it comes to dealing with Law Enforcement. Its naturally caused by your "pastime." When its in your car or your pocket, you watch continuously in your mirror or over your shoulder for the red-n-blue. Your views on police behavior and methods are skewed because you have to hide yourself from them, for fear of getting caught. Then to say that all the illegals that you've had contact with are hardworking people who are just looking for a break; its a moot point from your respective lips. I agree that not ALL illegal immigrants are criminals by nature. It is the very fact that they are 'illegal' immigrants that makes them criminals. Enter legally, follow the rules.

Before you load up the word cannon to fire back, know this. I'm not saying that you are a bad person or don't have the same rights to share your viewpoints. I don't think you are in anyway, less than anyone else. I merely shared my personal opinion that since you are adamant about broadcasting your criminal behavior, you're not the best person to be telling anyone how or how not to run a Sheriffs Office and Jail system.

sir