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Offline moot

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« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2008, 01:06:53 AM »
He told you so in person?  That's not worth anything, you know it :)

Anyway, that's just the cherry on top of the cake.  I don't remember the specifics, but he had a lot of other dirt on his hands.  I remember it being on par with Bill Clinton's closet skeletons.

I've no idea what you mean Chairboy.
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« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2008, 01:06:56 AM »
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It's common to attack the source when you don't like what it's reporting.  But to mollify him, find a second source.


The sources all quote the same tripe... word for word.

Now, let's get something clear first: I think the restraint chairs can be dangerous.  More than one person has died in them. These chairs were in use before Arpaio ever came to town.
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« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2008, 01:08:25 AM »
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He told you so in person?  That's not worth anything, you know it :)

 


huh?  all I said was that he quoted Wiki, Verbatim.   Verbatim does not mean "in person"
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« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2008, 01:09:03 AM »
The kid didn't die in the chair.  He died from trying to free himself of the grasp of one or two goons right in Arpajo's presence.  His head was forced forward and down so that his airway was shut.
The chair was a convienient alibi.

edit- ok so what did you mean by verbatim?  Verbatim means word for word.  What words are you refering to?  Wikipedia is no guarantee, you probably know that by now.
Edit2 - So you were answering my question of how you are sure Arpajo wasn't even in the building when it happened with a reference to Fishu's verbatim repeat of wikipedia, which doesn't answer my question.
How are you sure he wasn't there?
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« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2008, 01:11:05 AM »
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The kid didn't die in the chair.  He died from trying to free himself of the grasp of one or two goons right in Arpajo's presence.  His head was forced forward and down so that his airway was shut.
The chair was a convienient alibi.


Arpaio was not there. Have you seen the video?  I have.

And yes, he dies right in the chair.
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« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2008, 01:12:20 AM »
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Arpaio was not there. Have you seen the video?  I have.

And yes, he dies right in the chair.

Then we aren't talking about the same kid.
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« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2008, 01:13:35 AM »
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Then we aren't talking about the same kid.



Could be :)
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« Reply #37 on: January 03, 2008, 01:15:46 AM »
Norberg died in the chair but they removed hom from the chair and tried to resusitate him.
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« Reply #38 on: January 03, 2008, 01:33:01 AM »
Either way, you play "Cowboy Sheriff" grandstanding for the media long enough and you will eventually screw the pooch. I have no problem with most of his tactics, but is there any stats or reports showing it has lowered crime or repeat offenders?
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« Reply #39 on: January 03, 2008, 01:38:03 AM »
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Either way, you play "Cowboy Sheriff" grandstanding for the media long enough and you will eventually screw the pooch. I have no problem with most of his tactics, but is there any stats or reports showing it has lowered crime or repeat offenders?



Ahhh good question RPM. I'm tired... I'll do a little research tomorrow.
I have seen anecdotal interviews on local news from inmates who swear they will go straight because they do not want to return to tent city.. I don't remember if hard stats were discussed though.
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« Reply #40 on: January 03, 2008, 02:11:40 AM »
Shelby, what do you think of Joe?


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« Reply #41 on: January 03, 2008, 05:24:41 AM »
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but is there any stats or reports showing it has lowered crime or repeat offenders?


Return to prison/jail rate
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National 52%
Arizona 41%
Maricopa County 60%
Maricopa DUI repeat offenders 40%




2000 2006 change
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Felony filings: 26,317 29,662 +12.7%


source: The Maricopa County Attorney's Office
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« Reply #42 on: January 03, 2008, 08:36:22 AM »
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The kid didn't die in the chair.  He died from trying to free himself of the grasp of one or two goons right in Arpajo's presence.  His head was forced forward and down so that his airway was shut.
The chair was a convienient alibi.


So why was the kid struggling? IF he had stopped then he might still be alive.
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« Reply #43 on: January 03, 2008, 08:53:02 AM »
Well if he's up to $50 million in lawsuits against the county so far, with almost $13m rewarded... Looks like just a matter of time before Joe's methods become more expensive than the prime rib.
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« Reply #44 on: January 03, 2008, 09:11:16 AM »
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So why was the kid struggling? IF he had stopped then he might still be alive.


Let's block your airway and see if you struggle.
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