Author Topic: One man one vote........ (Read 885 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #30 on:** January 03, 2008, 02:24:30 PM »

frode... I have to simply say that as a republican...

Arnie was the best commie liberal democrat in the race. I knew he stunk but he was, and is.. way better than the only other guy that was running in the race.

There has been talk of "common sense" on this board about not voting for either party.. this seems a contradiction.

If one party is very evil and the other is just slightly evil and a third is great but... no chance of winning... if you vote for the party that has no chance of winning and this allows the "very evil" guy to win out over the slightly evil one...

How much frigging common sense is that?

more talk about... good democrats vs bad republicans.... Oh? not in my state or in the pres elections which... is all I get to vote on.

Now, I know that there are some democrats with better tax or individual freedom or gun rights stances than some republicans but besides being as rare as hens teeth... I don't ever get a chance to vote for em and.... there is no "guarentee" that the so called "good democrat" will not revert to party line on a party vote issue... happens all the time.

lazs

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #31 on:** January 03, 2008, 02:45:38 PM »

Origanally posted by Lasz2
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There has been talk of "common sense" on this board about not voting for either party.. this seems a contradiction.

If one party is very evil and the other is just slightly evil and a third is great but... no chance of winning... if you vote for the party that has no chance of winning and this allows the "very evil" guy to win out over the slightly evil one...

How much frigging common sense is that?
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I normally would'nt be so abrupt, but...That kind of thinking isn't common sense. It's defeatism. It's accepting the status quo. It's the kind of thinking that's damn near ruined the U.S., already. It's the kind of thinking that perpetuates' all of the problems' that we ***** about on these BBS. We don't have many oppurtunities' to affect that outcome. But during election time, is when we need to act.

I agree with you on Arnold, except that I would add that during the Recall election, He came out like the other Repubs. I guess being an actor made that easy. Because He's as soft on issues like immigration and gun rights' as Feinstein and Boxer.

I'd like to add, that he was kind of a shoe-in, anyway. Gray Davis had literally burned every bridge, and Not enough of the Chicano's got out to vote for Cruz Bustamante. Hell, not even all of the regular Democrats' wanted Bustamante, because they thought that he would not only perpetuate the problems' we had with Davis, but that he would just make it even worse.

lazs2 · « **Reply #32 on:** January 03, 2008, 02:57:09 PM »

frode.. not sure I understand your point... common sense is not defeatism or lack of defeatism.

By your example.. the person who will not jump off a 20 story building for fear of being hurt is a defeatist.

Now.. I will concede.. if the third party in the example had any chance of winning... it would be defeatism to not vote for him. That is not the case however. third parties (in this country in recent history) are sucker bets up till today. I can't speak for the future.

lazs

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #33 on:** January 03, 2008, 03:14:09 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
frode.. not sure I understand your point... common sense is not defeatism or lack of defeatism.

By your example.. the person who will not jump off a 20 story building for fear of being hurt is a defeatist.

Now.. I will concede.. if the third party in the example had any chance of winning... it would be defeatism to not vote for him. That is not the case however. third parties (in this country in recent history) are sucker bets up till today. I can't speak for the future.

lazs

He doesn't get that chance to win, by everyone assuming he won't, and just voting for the frontrunner, even if the frontrunner's actually the next Adolph Hitler...But happens' to belong to your favorite party.

Common Sense isn't knowing that the best guy for the job is there, but voting for a snake instead, because your afraid of someone you don't like from another party winning. That's how the snake wins.

MORAY37 · « **Reply #34 on:** January 03, 2008, 07:02:00 PM »

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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Origanally posted by Lasz2
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There has been talk of "common sense" on this board about not voting for either party.. this seems a contradiction.

If one party is very evil and the other is just slightly evil and a third is great but... no chance of winning... if you vote for the party that has no chance of winning and this allows the "very evil" guy to win out over the slightly evil one...

How much frigging common sense is that?
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I normally would'nt be so abrupt, but...That kind of thinking isn't common sense. It's defeatism. It's accepting the status quo. It's the kind of thinking that's damn near ruined the U.S., already. It's the kind of thinking that perpetuates' all of the problems' that we ***** about on these BBS. We don't have many oppurtunities' to affect that outcome. But during election time, is when we need to act.

I agree with you on Arnold, except that I would add that during the Recall election, He came out like the other Repubs. I guess being an actor made that easy. Because He's as soft on issues like immigration and gun rights' as Feinstein and Boxer.

I'd like to add, that he was kind of a shoe-in, anyway. Gray Davis had literally burned every bridge, and Not enough of the Chicano's got out to vote for Cruz Bustamante. Hell, not even all of the regular Democrats' wanted Bustamante, because they thought that he would not only perpetuate the problems' we had with Davis, but that he would just make it even worse.

LOL..friend. Laz is already defeated. He's the one in the cabin up on the hill, the one with the bunker and 50 guns.... He's been defeated for more years than he can count.

It all started, for him, when women were "given" the right to vote.

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #35 on:** January 03, 2008, 07:43:56 PM »

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Originally posted by MORAY37
LOL..friend. Laz is already defeated. He's the one in the cabin up on the hill, the one with the bunker and 50 guns.... He's been defeated for more years than he can count.

It all started, for him, when women were "given" the right to vote.

I'm not trying to pick a fight with lasz, since really, this election( And the next CA. Gubanatorial, as well) Could affect us drastically. With the narrow margins' that the last two or three elections' have been decided by, even one vote, even if you think it's wasted, could make the difference.

Besides...When a DNC or GOP candidate ****s over the people by running to wherever the money is (and they do, without fail) Then at least you can honestly claim that they don't represent your beliefs; You voted your way, honestly, and not for the SOB that has exactly the same intentions' as the one in the other large party, only he has a different party pin on his lapel.

lazs2 · « **Reply #36 on:** January 04, 2008, 12:24:30 PM »

moray.. my fight is over. I leave it to the young guys of whom I certainly hope you are not an example.

I can indeed retire to a more sedate and out of the way place and live out my life as more of an individual no matter how bad you socialists screw the pooch.

I will kick back and wait to die while you are picking over each others bones.

how is that for "common sense"?

I don't care what women think except the ones in my life. I get along fine with them. I don't need to put up with the ones who don't know who they are.

At this rate.. their won't be a white woman.. or American woman for that matter.. that can buy a husband in the next few decades. who would want em?

Ones who claim to like em end up childless and divorced.

lazs

wrag · « **Reply #37 on:** January 04, 2008, 12:52:46 PM »

Laz said

"moray.. my fight is over. I leave it to the young guys of whom I certainly hope you are not an example."

Actually I think that is what was wanted. That is what was waited for.

I'm too old to do much either.

But!

Maybe too old is good.

Eagler · « **Reply #38 on:** January 04, 2008, 04:48:37 PM »

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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Do I think that people that voted for Ross Perot wasted their' votes? Not one bit. I applaud them for it.

IMO they are the ones to blame as they allowed slick to get voted in 92 which put us in the position we are in today ... I guess some can say that their vote wasn't wasted ... not me.

It has always been about the lesser of two evils. As I pay enough taxes to our wasteful fat gov, I'll pick the elephant over the jackarse everytime.