My duel with Warlock

[AquaShrimp]

I was in the MA and we were talking about the P-51 and F4U.  I said "The P-51D is a better E-plane (energy plane) than the F4U".  Well Warlock challenges me to a duel.  He even gave me a 10k altitude advantage.  Little did I know the tactics he had in store for me.

So once in the dueling arena, Warlock chose the F4U-1a, and I flew the P-51D.  He started off below me at 12k, and I at 20k.  So I began diving on him, and then going vertical.  He'd try to follow me and attempt to get a snapshot on me, but he couldn't.  This infuriated him.  I've never seen so much crying and whining on 200 as I did tonight with him.  "Quit running! Get down here and fight! I'm gonna run out of gas!" ad nauseum.  Since when does going into a 70 degree climb count as running?  I was just using sound energy tactics.  So the whole fight, I had Warlock defensive.  I'd dive down, he'd going into a break turn, I'd fire, then go vertical.  But his verbal tirade on 200 began to get to me.  He was infuriated that I wouldn't fight his fight (flat turns and rolling scissors I'm sure).  So I dove down and engaged him, even though my P-51's engine was only drawing about 50 inches of manifold pressure.  He got a snapshot on me, and down I went.  He began to use this as evidence that the F4U was better than the 51D.

The next fight, I was in a late model Spitfire (14 or 16, I dont remember).  I started using the vertical again, and he became enraged and started spouting some crazy stuff on 200.  Instead of turning with him, I would just climb at a very steep angle that he couldn't follow.  But thats cheating right? Using an advantage my plane has that his doesn't lol.  Anyways, something was majorly wrong with my stick or the way the plane was set up, as I kept getting "dont move your controls so rapidly" messages. Finally my controls locked up as I was doing a roll and I crashed.

Anyways, I guess the lesson I learned today is that you should block off any communications with your opponent before a duel, as they might goad you into fighting their fight.  If you know the strengths and weaknesses of your plane, use them logically.

[DoNKeY]

I believe I heard that it was a Spit 14 on 200.

donkey

[killnu]

guess he didnt like his tactics used against him?

[Geary420]

If I had someone give me 10k in a 51D and XIV and I died both times I'd be writing an email asking for a new anonymous CPID rather than coming here to whine and make excuses.

From what you wrote you got PWND plain and simple.  Both psychologically and ACM wise.  Any fight like what you described(well most of them actually) comes down to one thing in the end.  Who has the patience to fight their fight and wait for the other guy to get frustrated and make a mistake.

[AquaShrimp]

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.  From now on, I'm going to detune all my radios as soon as I lift off.  I'll turn into an emotionless terminator.

[Oleg]

Quite weird method to find 'better E-plane', imho.

[WaRLoCkL]

Originally posted by AquaShrimp
I was in the MA and we were talking about the P-51 and F4U.  I said "The P-51D is a better E-plane (energy plane) than the F4U".  Well Warlock challenges me to a duel.  He even gave me a 10k altitude advantage.  Little did I know the tactics he had in store for me.

So once in the dueling arena, Warlock chose the F4U-1a, and I flew the P-51D.  He started off below me at 12k, and I at 20k.  So I began diving on him, and then going vertical.  He'd try to follow me and attempt to get a snapshot on me, but he couldn't.  This infuriated him.  I've never seen so much crying and whining on 200 as I did tonight with him.  "Quit running! Get down here and fight! I'm gonna run out of gas!" ad nauseum.  Since when does going into a 70 degree climb count as running?  I was just using sound energy tactics.  So the whole fight, I had Warlock defensive.  I'd dive down, he'd going into a break turn, I'd fire, then go vertical.  But his verbal tirade on 200 began to get to me.  He was infuriated that I wouldn't fight his fight (flat turns and rolling scissors I'm sure).  So I dove down and engaged him, even though my P-51's engine was only drawing about 50 inches of manifold pressure.  He got a snapshot on me, and down I went.  He began to use this as evidence that the F4U was better than the 51D.

The next fight, I was in a late model Spitfire (14 or 16, I dont remember).  I started using the vertical again, and he became enraged and started spouting some crazy stuff on 200.  Instead of turning with him, I would just climb at a very steep angle that he couldn't follow.  But thats cheating right? Using an advantage my plane has that his doesn't lol.  Anyways, something was majorly wrong with my stick or the way the plane was set up, as I kept getting "dont move your controls so rapidly" messages. Finally my controls locked up as I was doing a roll and I crashed.

Anyways, I guess the lesson I learned today is that you should block off any communications with your opponent before a duel, as they might goad you into fighting their fight.  If you know the strengths and weaknesses of your plane, use them logically.

The problem was I was trying to show u that the plane dont mean squat. U were in the DA and slowly losing your 10k advantage on me after numerouse boom and zooms but i got BORED, u couldnt hit me, and after 10 minutes I told u that u needed to ENGAGE ME, u did not know how to properly engage a low con plane and simple. U were booming and zooming me like u were attacking multiple low cons. If u cant hit someone after 15 trys its time to try something different.

And yes I told u to get a SPIT because u complained the corsair was a way better turner than the pony. u brought a spit 14 and I gave u the advantage of being 600 on my six befor i even tried to defend myself, I guess u left that part out, and after the reversal u went strait vert and went back to your boom and zooming, but eventually your E gave out and u got OWNT. then u blamed it on STICK fauler but forgot to mention u were janking so hard, thats why u got the error.

I wasnt trying to PROVE that the corsair was superior to the pony I was just disproving your theory that u said a pony would own a corsair all day with a 10k advantage.

I was only trying to show u what u were DOING WRONG. and that the plane dont matter. if u had reversed the roles i would have pulled in behind u after the third pass and u wouldnt have been able to shake me

Then u pulled the I GOT A 3 TO 1 KILL TO DEATH RATIO IN THE MA I KNOW WHAT IM DOING remark, which told me u were probly mostly newbish and did not come from air warrior 1 as u said. and no I am not a 15 year old.

U got your butt handed to u because u did some smack talking on our country channel and apparently becaus I have been gone for a 2 months in the army u did not know that I am one of the pretty good stick in the game. and I know my 1 on 1 dueling. i used your every advantage to your disadvantage and it got u killed.

I dont have any problem with u infact if u had ever asked me, I would have gladly showed u some tips and showed u what u were doing wrong.

You are a good BOOM and ZOOMER and good at holding your E, but your gunnery is not up to par if that is your style of play. but a good pilot is a wll rounded pilot once I got on your six u really had no idea what to do, that dosnt mean u suck, just means u need to ask for some advice or spend some time in the DA and learn.

[WaRLoCkL]

Originally posted by AquaShrimp
I was in the MA and we were talking about the P-51 and F4U.  I said "The P-51D is a better E-plane (energy plane) than the F4U".  Well Warlock challenges me to a duel.  He even gave me a 10k altitude advantage.  Little did I know the tactics he had in store for me.

So once in the dueling arena, Warlock chose the F4U-1a, and I flew the P-51D.  He started off below me at 12k, and I at 20k.  So I began diving on him, and then going vertical.  He'd try to follow me and attempt to get a snapshot on me, but he couldn't.  This infuriated him.  I've never seen so much crying and whining on 200 as I did tonight with him.  "Quit running! Get down here and fight! I'm gonna run out of gas!" ad nauseum.  Since when does going into a 70 degree climb count as running?  I was just using sound energy tactics.  So the whole fight, I had Warlock defensive.  I'd dive down, he'd going into a break turn, I'd fire, then go vertical.  But his verbal tirade on 200 began to get to me.  He was infuriated that I wouldn't fight his fight (flat turns and rolling scissors I'm sure).  So I dove down and engaged him, even though my P-51's engine was only drawing about 50 inches of manifold pressure.  He got a snapshot on me, and down I went.  He began to use this as evidence that the F4U was better than the 51D.

The next fight, I was in a late model Spitfire (14 or 16, I dont remember).  I started using the vertical again, and he became enraged and started spouting some crazy stuff on 200.  Instead of turning with him, I would just climb at a very steep angle that he couldn't follow.  But thats cheating right? Using an advantage my plane has that his doesn't lol.  Anyways, something was majorly wrong with my stick or the way the plane was set up, as I kept getting "dont move your controls so rapidly" messages. Finally my controls locked up as I was doing a roll and I crashed.

Anyways, I guess the lesson I learned today is that you should block off any communications with your opponent before a duel, as they might goad you into fighting their fight.  If you know the strengths and weaknesses of your plane, use them logically.

Also statisticly the Corsair holds E far better than the pony, it just has to get that E first because it is a slow accelerator. A corsair is one of the best E planes in the game. The only thing the pony has going for it is superb engine power. which allows it to REGAIN lost E

[WaRLoCkL]

Originally posted by Geary420
If I had someone give me 10k in a 51D and XIV and I died both times I'd be writing an email asking for a new anonymous CPID rather than coming here to whine and make excuses.

From what you wrote you got PWND plain and simple.  Both psychologically and ACM wise.  Any fight like what you described(well most of them actually) comes down to one thing in the end.  Who has the patience to fight their fight and wait for the other guy to get frustrated and make a mistake.

Also a honerable and skillfull pilot would have never accepted a 10k advantage to begin with without ever fighting the person, he would have wanted to go head to head right off the bat. and then to bring a spit 14 when u know your getting a D600 six position with no defense manuvers until in range is just showing that he was simply looking for the EASY kill and had no intentions of ever trying to be fair. that is why he went verticle every single time.

Being a good pilot is not how good u can fly up, its how good u are at getting the front of your plane on him to actually get a shot.

[DoNKeY]

Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
The only thing the pony has going for it is superb engine power. which allows it to REGAIN lost E

lol, not really.  I'm assuming you're talking about regaining it in a relatively short time because of its "superb engine power," because all planes can eventually regain lost E.  But, that is not the case, unless I was missing something the whole 5 months I was flying the pony...

donkey

[Adonai]

I had a similar scenario earlier where a person said a tempest could not be beat, I was flying a spitfire 8 earlier at 10k and ran into 68Shade in a tempest and held his 6 for a good 15 minutes before he was sent running to ack trying to scape me.

Little did he know I simply held my E through all his turns and never got over 1.0k from him, but he did make one generally stupid mistake: flew above 15k

He was giving my spitfire an advantage of speed while he was losing performance going higher.

Anyhow same scenario I offered to give him tips how in a tempest to beat a spitfire 8 he didnt take so be it.

Warlock scenario here is I think you should of been more direct I mean giving him 10k advantage would of been useless if he'd got lucky on the snapshots i.e like some decent pickers.

However I wouldn't knock a P51 being a bad boom and zoom plane thats what it does best since in my opinion the Flaps burn off to much E compared to real plane, P51 wont hold its E in a fight, unlike F4u which doesn't need E to turn fight (although doing 350 and dropping flaps is nice too) but Ive been in more fights doing 160 with full flaps down then high speed fighting this past tour).

[leitwolf]

AquaShrimp, I think you should quit being delusional. Ask yourself why you started this post.

You got owned. And it wasnt the plane's fault.
You might have good MA stats but they can't be taken for face value.

I was once like you, thinking my (at the time) good K/D would mean I am a good pilot. I was wrong. I can tell you that the LeitWolf from tour 95 will beat the crap out of the LeitWolf from tour 36 even though the stats would indicate otherwise.

The moment I accepted the fact that I suck was the first day I was able to get better - but it took a lot of time getting owned and getting the ego out of the window first. I'm still not good, but today i know what happened when someone owns me and most of the time - the fault was mine.

[sgt203]

Probably not what you thought you would hear in here for the most part huh???

10K alt advantage from the start doesnt take much to "hold your E".

Basically your controls locked up from jerking the stick to hard hence the "do not move your controls so rapidly" message just prior to you crashing.

If it took you that long to kill him you should have tried different tactics.

The plane as Warlock stated does not mean squat, it may give you a advantage, however the pilot is going to determine the outcome of the fight, not the plane.

Regardless of your reasons and excuses you got beat plain and simple.

Frankly to go to DA to prove a point, accept a 10K alt advantage, then complain about the fact they had something to say about you doing nothing but BnZ repeatedly is hysterical. Why go in the first place??

Take one thing away from this engagement you have room to improve your skills.

[Yknurd]

I thought Warlock was in boot camp?

That's some wimpy boot camp if they let you play computer games.

[Max]

This has got to be the silliest post of the year